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Author Topic:   The Problem with Legalized Abortion
Rahvin
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Message 274 of 293 (444952)
12-31-2007 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by LinearAq
12-31-2007 1:35 PM


BTW: There's this new thing that they've come up with in the US to help you with that 20-year issue. It's called adoption. Maybe you should check it out.
What about the whole 9-months part? They can't really help with that, you know. Ever known a pregnant woman? Pregnancy isn't fun - it's a whole host of chemical changes that mess with your emotions, eating habits, and essentially messes up your entire life while a parasite you don't even want grows inside of you.
What about the very real risks to the mothers life inherent in childbirth? Death is rare in first-world countries, but the risk IS there, while legal abortions are not associated with such risks.
What about necessary Cesarean births? Is it ethical in your eyes to force a woman to have her abdomen sliced open to remove the baby? That's a very possible risk associated with pregnancy. Forcing a woman to continue the pregnancy does constitute forced surgery if a Cesarean is required, even if it can't be forseen at the outset.
Does the potential life of the fetus in your eyes completely trump a woman's right to make decisions concerning her own body? I'll tell you this - I would not take kindly to anyone who tried to force me to undergo a series of hormonal treatments for nine months, made my body grow in such ways that movement becomes difficult and work becomes impossible for three of the nine months, and finished it off by forcing me to go through either hours of excruciating pain or possibly even forced surgery.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 280 of 293 (444969)
12-31-2007 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by LinearAq
12-31-2007 3:04 PM


What about them? How much of a risk is it? How does that risk compare with those of other things we do in life?
Irrelevant. The risk would not be there if the pregnancy was terminated, and it's a risk you're talking about forcing on women, not something they choose to do like anything else in their lives.
Does this extraordinary risk warrant the death of another human that did nothing to cause the risk?
A human being that doesn't exist yet. It hasn't been born yet. Depending on what point of the pregnancy we're talking about, it doesn't even have a functioning brain.
How risky are they? How do they add to the overall risk of pregnancy?
Does this even more extraordinary risk warrant the death of another human that did nothing to cause the risk?
Again, irrelevant. It's all risk that you are forcing on the woman, because the risk would not be there if she were not pregnant.
Smoking cigarettes is associated with lung cancer. Smokers run the risk that they will have to have major surgery.
And if you force someone to smoke, you're not a very good person. Those who choose to continue to smoke, and those who choose to remain pregnant are not the issue. The issue is that you want to force women to continue to be pregnant.
Having sex is a risk that you might get pregnant. The man runs the risk that he might be financially liable for a child. Not as much risk as the mother surely. Don't like the risk of getting pregnant, then don't engage in intercourse.
Repress all sexual instincts? Now there's a good idea. That doesn't lead to mental and emotional problems at all. And when a pregnancy (bearing in mind that I advocate the use of contraception, but that no contraception is 100% effective)can be terminated before the fetus develops into anything resembling a human being except on the genetic level, and is more akin to a leech...
Does a 2-month-old's life completely trump a woman's right to make decisions concerning her own body? What makes a fetus different? The difference is that the woman can regain her rights and freedom without killing the 2-month-old.
2-month olds are not relevant to the conversation. A fetus is physically attached to the womans body, and pregnancy adds risks and makes fundamental changes to the womans body. These changes and risks would be against her will if you force her to remain pregnant. The toddler can easily be given for adoption - the situation is completely different.
And you still havent addressed my question of forced surgery.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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