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Author Topic:   The Chicken And Egg Problem, this problem refers to all species
Yaro
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Message 4 of 43 (207045)
05-11-2005 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nitai
05-11-2005 4:52 AM


Well, considering that sexual reproduction is a later adaptation, I think it would be safe to assume that "the chicken" came first.
Before the egg/chicken cycle started, the ancestor of the chicken was a simple single celled organisim that likely divided like bacteria or amoeba. As evolution progressed simple multi-cellular life which reproduced asexualy evolved. As time went on it became advantageous to have a wider variety of genes in the pool and sexual reproduction began to develop, this inevitable lead to the development of genders.
Eggs didn't come about till much later in the picture, but I think you can get the idea from here.

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Yaro
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Message 6 of 43 (207066)
05-11-2005 10:28 AM
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05-11-2005 10:17 AM


I've always thought about this problem at a much later stage and concluded that eggs came first since egg laying is seen in lineages much more ancient than chickens.
I dunno... I would speculate that the apearance of eggs was a gradual process. I would hypothesize that there were intermediate stages to the evolution of eggs.
Furthermore, as the OT asks, what came first for all the species? It is pretty clear that genders, eggs, and reproduction in general, was a parallel evolutionary development. So the answer is not the same for all species.
Like the evolution of the eye, nature has solved the problem in a large variety of ways for all the different species. Just think about the way crabs lay eggs and compare that to frogs, or snails.
So I don't think even if there was an absolute "first", it would be the same answer for every species.
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Yaro
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Message 8 of 43 (207069)
05-11-2005 10:38 AM
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05-11-2005 10:33 AM


Re: upside down evolution
Fern 480 White Ash 138 Carp 100
Goldfish 94 Sweet Potato 90 Turkey 82
Chicken 78 Dog 78 Duck 78
Horse 64 Cow 60 Silkworm 56
Cotton 52 Amoeba 50 Chimp 48
Tobacco 48 Human 46
This scheme shows the number of chromosomes in these species. Its unbelievable that from single celled living entity an Amoeba developed with 50 chromosomes. More then in human - only 46.
Huh?
What does this have to do with anything?
If I told you that modern wrist watches have less parts than older watches does that mean they didn't "evolve" from the older time pieces?
Furthermore, what do you think a chromasom is that the amount of them has to do with evolutionary descent? I have never read anything that suggests evolution predicts chromasom count to increase as aspecies change over time.

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Message 11 of 43 (207115)
05-11-2005 1:34 PM
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05-11-2005 1:26 PM


Re: Eggs before chickens if taken literally
1) What do you think a chromasome is?
2) What is the importance of the amount of genes in a creature versus another?
3) Why does gene quantity matter vs. Active/usefull genes?

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