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Rob 
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Message 132 of 161 (419116)
09-01-2007 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
07-13-2007 4:24 PM


Ringo:
The fact is we do question, we always have and, hopefully, we always will.
Why?
What are we looking for?
And what were we questioning?
Ringo:
Thinking is a good thing.
Why would a human being think of doing something that He (or she) doesn't need or want to think about in the first place (ie. what your brother tastes like skined and fried in oil)?
For arguments sake, if humanity was in fact created good by God's influence... then how would we explain our badness unless there was some other influencing factor other than God?

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Message 136 of 161 (419145)
09-01-2007 10:31 AM
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09-01-2007 9:48 AM


Ringo:
I said, "Thinking is a good thing." I didn't say that all thoughts are equally good. Thinking is necessary to separate the good from the bad.
So we (the thinker) have to choose between the angel whispering in one ear, and the devil in the other?
Or do we create or own thoughts?

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Message 137 of 161 (419149)
09-01-2007 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Archer Opteryx
09-01-2007 2:47 AM


Re: oldies but goodies
Archer:
The catch is that, in allowing this free agent to exist, he really does have to surrender control.
You're quite right.
And as a species, we've done well with our freedom haven't we?
As I said, you're quite right... He created the possibility of hell. But God didn't create it, a demigod did.
You and CK act as though that has any impact on God's sovereignty at all... that's not the case. It only means that God is very secure with Himself. In the end of time (when the game is actually won or lost) God will show that He is in control. He will seperate heaven from hell, and this universe will be restored.
In the mean time, he allows you to listen to whichever spirits you want to listen to.
You're responsible for your own choices, unless you give Him back, His responsibility as God of your life.
It's the same plot as in 'Lord of the Rings'... just when the band of evildoers thinks they have won... in comes the glorious reality to crush the rebellion once and for all.
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 139 of 161 (419172)
09-01-2007 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Archer Opteryx
09-01-2007 11:47 AM


Re: oldies but goodies
Archer:
I wasn't aware that you were a disciple of Wotan's.
Very funny...
You were the one drawing the parralels. Did you want to address the concepts, or do you wish to haggle over the names we give them?

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Message 141 of 161 (419176)
09-01-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by iceage
09-01-2007 12:29 PM


Re: Who created hell?
Iceage:
Errr... The bible does NOT say that.... Who's right the Bible or Rob?
The Bible...
I stand corected.

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Message 143 of 161 (419202)
09-01-2007 2:00 PM
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09-01-2007 1:53 PM


Re: oldies but goodies
Archer:
A few days ago you defended genocide in the cause of just such 'haggles over names.'
What in the world are you talking about?
You'll not find a more vociferous antagonist against genocide than God.
He will eradicate it. But that's not genocide, it's justice!
And we will all get it, because we all deserve it. That is unless you find some way to escape it's clutches.
What is your question?

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Message 145 of 161 (419214)
09-01-2007 3:22 PM
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09-01-2007 2:43 PM


Ringo:
If you want to listen to angels or devils, that's your lookout. An important question would be, "Is it an angel or a devil posing as an angel?"
I agree...
no clever devil would show himself as a devil (though there are the occasional Beavis and Buttheads among us).
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Ringo:
In the end, though, you have to create your own decisions based on the inputs you have.
No argument here...

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Message 158 of 161 (419357)
09-02-2007 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by pbee
09-02-2007 1:55 AM


I noticed you are interested in Origins. I wanted to point you in this direction without interrupting the thread with a bare link. That is why I asked you to contact me by email. Here's the link http://EvC Forum: Converting raw energy into biological energy -->EvC Forum: Converting raw energy into biological energy
Sorry for the interruption...

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