The lies behind the Miller experiment

Hi JESUS freak,I'm not sure why we're experiencing difficulties here. It would be greatly appreciated if you would read the very recent messages from me and Charles more carefully and give us a meaningful response. You claim to have a text book that misrepresents the Miller/Urey experiment. Please provide the text of that mispresentation.Let me try to be very clear by repeating this: Please provide the text of the misreprentation of the Miller/Urey experiment from your earth science text book.Also, please provide the text of the other misrepresentations you have mentioned, such as the February, 2004, issue of Popular Science, or the March, 1998, issue of National Geographic.If there's something about this request that you don't understand or that you need help with then please just let us know.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi JESUS freak,This is a serious science discussion site. You're expected to have sufficient skill, knowledge and maturity to carry on rational discussions based upon evidence. Please read and comply with Message 100 and Message 108, else by the end of the day you'll be in [forum=-28].

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi JESUS freak,Since there have been no posts indicative of a change in behavior, I'm restricting you to [forum=-28] among the main forums. Since this is your thread, I will transfer it over there. You still have privileges in some of the non-main forums.Restoration of full privileges will happen once you've demonstrated the ability to follow moderator requests and the Forum Guidelines.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Thread moved here from the Origin of Life forum.

I'm responding to this mainly just to satisfy my own curiousity about whether you can think about this rationally. Let me ask you this question.If we moderators were truly outraged because your arguments were so effective that they couldn't be rebutted and we were completely stymied and wanted to prevent any further dissemination of your position, then why have we given you a forum to continue making your arguments? Why haven't we just banned you?You're here so you can learn effective debate techniques by supporting your assertions with evidence and well-reasoned arguments. Either support your position about the moderators here (but not in this thread as that would be off-topic) or don't mention it again. If I see this unsupported assertion again, your privileges will be permanently suspended.If you decide to address this, consider your answer carefully, because I'll consider nonsense to be equivalent to an unsupported assertion.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Introducing the new "Boot Camp" forumI'd tread carefully if I were you. Be sure you address this question: If we moderators were truly outraged because your arguments were so effective that they couldn't be rebutted and we were completely stymied and wanted to prevent any further dissemination of your position, then why have we given you a forum to continue making your arguments? Why haven't we just banned you?I give you this caution because I suspect you're gearing up to argue, with lengthy examples, how effective your arguments were, which wouldn't address this question. The question grants, for the sake of discussion, that your arguments were incredibly effective and couldn't be rebutted. The question is actually asking why, if this is the case and we were stymied and outraged, we're still giving you free reign to continue disseminating your arguments?I can't make it any clearer than this. If when you respond you fail to address the actual question I will suspend your privileges with no reluctance or remorse. My self-interested advice is that you should just let this issue drop, because your history is that you can't address any issues about which you're emotional and so you'll be suspended, and since you have an avid set of opponents who apparently love debating you, I'll probably take a lot of heat when you go.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi JESUS freak,I am very impressed. Nice job! Keep up the good work!About your book, scanning isn't necessary, just type in the paragraphs. Shouldn't take more than five minutes.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

WillowTree's posting privileges are permanently suspended.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Nothing you say is wrong or untrue, and I see you've already made one edit pass, but if you cuold tilt it a bit more toward the patient and generous end of the scale... Thanks! --AdminThis message has been edited by Admin, 11-29-2004 08:53 PM

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I think you're doing great, keep it up! Sorry if you don't have a scanner, you'll just have to keep typing.I don't see a need to start the topic over. Refine your position, restate it, and keep moving forward.The incredibly strong emphasis we place on evidence at EvC Forum is unexpected by many who first come here. But science is not like a debate about political parties or rock bands. Discussions about science must be underpinned by facts, not opinions. There's still plenty of room for different opinions and for different interpretations of facts. The debate doesn't end when the facts are introduced, it only begins. What we try to avoid here is nonsense discussions with few or no facts at all.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

JESUS freak's Boot Camp restrictions have been removed.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Thread moved here from the Boot Camp forum.