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Rrhain
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Message 21 of 60 (40968)
05-22-2003 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Peter
05-19-2003 10:17 AM


Peter writes:
quote:
I fail to see where the reasoning behind 'if he had sons and daughters after Seth he probably did after Cain' has any support.
Well, there is the whining that Cain does to god when told that he will be marked for his crime:
Genesis 4:14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Who are these other people that Cain is worried about? If it truly is the case that there is only Adam, Eve, and Cain, Abel having been murdered and thus no longer a problem, then there doesn't seem to be much of a danger.
And let's not forget that Cain then builds a city (Genesis 4:17). Given that there's only him (and supposedly his wife, whose name is not mentioned, and child, Enoch), it won't be much of a city.
So one can reasonably infer that there are other people around.
Another hint can be found later in Genesis...it's part of the reason god kills everybody off (Genesis 6). It seems the "sons of god" are having sex with the "daughters of men" and having kids of their own...but wait, didn't god have only one son? Well, maybe these sons weren't "begotten"...kinda like how in Macbeth, Macduff manages to get around the prophecy which says none "of woman born" can kill him..."Macduff was from his mother's womb untimely ripp'd"...in other words, Caeserian section. Perhaps these other "sons of god" were born like Athena: Sprung from god's forehead fully grown.
Too, there's the claim of giants roaming around. These giants are not the "sons of god," so it seems there are a lot of humanoid creatures running around, some of which are fertile with humans.
Perhaps Cain's wife was one of these giants?
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Rrhain
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Message 29 of 60 (42538)
06-11-2003 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by maverick
06-07-2003 8:17 PM


Re: just another ques???
maverick writes:
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i want to add another ques on the Cain list..
how was Cain killed??
I don't think the Bible says. It does say that anybody who kills Cain will suffer horribly, but it doesn't say if he dies from natural causes or through nefarious methods.
If you read the back story of the game, Vampire: The Masquerade, they create a mythology that the curse put upon Cain is that of vampirism. That is, Caine is the first vampire. but, that's just a game.
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Rrhain
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Message 45 of 60 (43592)
06-22-2003 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Itachi Uchiha
06-22-2003 1:34 AM


jazzlover_PR writes:
quote:
The 6,000 year span is from creation to the birth of jesus.
That's not what the Bible says:
Genesis 5:1: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
5:2: Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
5:4: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5:5: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
5:6: And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
5:7: And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:8: And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
5:9: And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
5:10: And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:11: And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
5:12: And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
5:13: And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:14: And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
5:15: And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
5:16: And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:17: And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
5:18: And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
5:19: And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:20: And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
5:21: And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
5:22: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:23: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
5:25: And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
5:26: And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
5:28: And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
5:29: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
5:30: And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:31: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
5:32: And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Adding all this up, we have 1056 years from Adam to Noah. Now, Noah was 601 when the flood was over:
Genesis 8:13: And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
From then, we go on to Abram:
Genesis 11:10: These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11:11: And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:12: And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
11:13: And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:14: And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
11:15: And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:16: And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
11:17: And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:18: And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
11:19: And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:20: And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
11:21: And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:22: And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
11:23: And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:24: And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
11:25: And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:26: And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Counting all this up, this puts Abram being born 392 years after the flood.
We then go to:
Genesis 12:1: Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
12:2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
12:3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
12:4: So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Thus, Abram was 75 when the covenant was established. Add that to the 392 years previous and we get 467 years.
Whence to:
Galatians 3:17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Thus, the Exodus happened 430 years after the covenant. Add that 430 years to the 467 previous and we get 897.
Finally to:
1 Kings 6:1: And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.
Thus, Solomon's Temple was begun 480 years after the Exodus. Add that 480 years to the 897 previous and we get 1277 years.
Since Solomon's Temple was begun about 950 BCE, we only have to add up the years:
950 + 1,277 + 601 + 1,056 = 3,884.
That's it. Less then 4,000 years from the creation of Adam to the birth of Jesus, according to the Bible.
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Rrhain
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Message 51 of 60 (43898)
06-24-2003 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Itachi Uchiha
06-22-2003 1:08 PM


jazzlover_PR responds to me...I think...he doesn't say and doesn't directly reply to my post:
quote:
you forgot to add the time between jesus and david and with that you should get 5,000 something
No, I didn't forget it at all because it is irrelevant. I did a direct calculation from the beginning of time to the founding of Solomon's Temple which is given an actual date and from there to the accepted birth of Jesus.
Adding them up, we get less than 4,000 years.
Therefore your claim of 6,000 years from creation to Jesus is directly contradicted by the Bible.
Or do you claim that the Bible is wrong?
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