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could moses have written the first five books of the bible

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Brian
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11-27-2004 5:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 7 by arachnophilia
11-26-2004 7:04 PM

5 sources?
Hi Arach,
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I am familiar with the J, E, P, and D sources for the Torah.
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Could you tell me what the other one is considered to be, and perhaps give one or two verses that are considered to be from that source?
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Also, can you give me any scholars who support the fifth source so I can have a little look into this fifth source?
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Cheers.
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Brian.
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11-27-2004 8:54 AM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Rrhain
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Hi Rrhain,
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One of the most telling anachronisms in the Pentateuch is Genesis 36:31, which actually has two anachronisms.
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These were the kings who reigned in Edom before any Israelite king reigned
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This really needs to have been written during or after the beginning of the monarchy, about 450 years after the Exodus by biblical dating. So there is no way that Moses could have written this.
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Also, there is no evidence of any kingdoms of Moab or Edom before c. 1300 BCE. Therefore, we have two anachronisms in the one statement, neither claim could have been made by Moses.
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Of course, this assumes that Moses even existed.
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I also find it surprising that the Bible does not record the full name of Judaism's greatest ever prophet.
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Brian.
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11-28-2004 5:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by arachnophilia
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Re: 5 sources?
Hi Arach,
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I was under the impression that the 'Holiness code' came from the 'P' source.
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Is the Book of Leviticus the only place where the 'h' source can be found?
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Cheers.
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Brian.
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12-01-2004 4:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by arachnophilia
11-29-2004 1:27 AM

Re: 5 sources?
Hi Arach,
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i was too, actually. the p source is more concerned with lineage than anything else.
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This is contrary to what I was taught, which was that the P source is concerned more with the cultic aspects of Israelite history such as rituals, cultic institutions, and regulations.
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Thanks for the information anyway, I will have a deeper look into it.
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Cheers again.
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Brian.
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12-01-2004 5:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by arachnophilia
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Re: 5 sources?
Hi Arach,
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No probs mate.
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I wont be in uni until Monday so it will be after then.
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Cheers.
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Brian.
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12-03-2004 11:38 AM 		Reply to: Message 32 by Dr Jack
12-03-2004 9:44 AM

Hi Jack,
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The Church of Scotland is the same. I have a very large percentage of students in my seminar groups who are training for the Church of Scotland ministry, and they need to at least have a Bachelor of Divinity to proceed.
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Our uni does not teach Mosaic authorship, and encourages students to look at the text as literature.
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The USA appears to have a lot of 'pastors' who essentially need have no training whatsoever.
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Brian.
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