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Author Topic:   could moses have written the first five books of the bible
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 157 of 242 (276745)
01-07-2006 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by lfen
01-07-2006 5:19 PM


Re: J & E Sources
Biblical Motives and Sources. Shammai Feldman. Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 22, No. 2. (Apr., 1963), pp. 73-103.
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first sentence: "No biblical book, it is now generally recognized, was composed before the time of the kings."
The Bearing of New Testament Statements upon the Authorship of Old Testament Books. George B. Stevens. The Old Testament Student, Vol. 8, No. 5. (Jan., 1889), pp. 164-170. JSTOR: Access Check
relevant question:
"If he has explicitly stated that Moses wrote the whole Pentateuch, then the conclusions reached by many critics regarding the composite character of these books are in conflict with Christ's authority, and the alternative is:... "
i'll let you read the rest.
Did Ezra Write or Amend Any Portion of the Pentateuch? R. P. Stebbins. The Old Testament Student, Vol. 3, No. 7. (Mar., 1884), pp. 234-240. JSTOR: Access Check
just in case you thought any of this was new...
The Pentateuchal Question. The Old Testament Student, Vol. 7, No. 5. (Jan., 1888), pp. 150-152.
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The Beginnings of the Worship of Yahweh: Conflicting Biblical Views (in Short Notes). Immanuel Lewy. Vetus Testamentum, Vol. 6, Fasc. 4. (Oct., 1956), pp. 429-435.
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this mentions the difference between theologies of different genesis writers. interesting stuff. very important point right off the bat about god revealing his name to moses and stuff.

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Message 164 of 242 (276850)
01-07-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by idontlikeforms
01-07-2006 8:29 PM


Re: J & E Sources
Because we, like it or not, or aware of it or not, are surrounded by "yes men." We don't even realize how onesided our teaching and upbringing really is.
that's what undergraduate work is like because kids grow up so mindless that they have to be handheld into a realization of what the world is actually made of. the entire point of academic work is to expand upon or disprove the previous theory. if the previous theory and your professors were really any good, the problems would be solved. in my field, war would be over. but they weren't smart enough, good enough, right enough and so we have to tell them exactly where they were wrong.
if previous biblical scholars had really found the answers, the problem would be solved. the results would be so conclusive and so persuasive that everyone would believe (every knee bow every tongue confess). but they don't because they didn't.

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Message 166 of 242 (276939)
01-07-2006 11:38 PM
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01-07-2006 11:31 PM


Re: J & E Sources
modern christianity tends to suffer from that opinion of disagreement. i don't get it. it's completely unsupported biblically. jesus was all about questioning established thought.

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Message 188 of 242 (277918)
01-10-2006 10:20 PM
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01-10-2006 4:00 PM


Re: J & E Sources
the falaciious (sic) assumption that this won't in turn happen to the current reigning academians and their theories by future generations.
the bigger problem is that you think anyone holds this assumption.
You're missing that the the liberal scholars pay little heed to what Evangelical scholars say. They are totally disjointed, not consecutive. Evangelical academia is actually fairly large in the US, but there is little real dialogue between them and liberal scholars.
i was speaking more broadly. if the evangelical scholars of the past or present really had it figured out THERE WOULDN'T BE any 'liberal' scholars. whatever a liberal scholar is anyways.

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Message 242 of 242 (278961)
01-14-2006 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by purpledawn
01-14-2006 7:02 AM


Re: The Exile
double post.

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