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Topic: the newly discovered pool of Siloam
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 12 of 78 (232218)
08-11-2005 9:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Brian
08-10-2005 2:00 PM
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More proof of biblical historical accuracy
The pool of Siloam is first mentioned in Nehemiah 3:15 Jesus healed a blindman and told him to go wash in the pool of Siloam in Jonh 9:6 Is it the same pool or coincidence?
Charles Knight has no patience... "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 14 of 78 (232315)
08-11-2005 1:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by CK
08-11-2005 9:58 AM
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Re: do you answer questions or just run away?
Put some medicine on your diaper rash and ask your question.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 20 of 78 (232589)
08-12-2005 10:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by CK
08-11-2005 2:06 PM
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Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
It further verifies the historical accuracy of John and Zachariah.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 23 of 78 (232603)
08-12-2005 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 21 by ramoss
08-12-2005 10:54 AM
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Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
That is for you to decide. The main point of this thread is to prove the bible passes the test of History. The book of Mormon, for example, doesn't pass the test. It has people and places in there that never existed. Skeptics of the bible point to things in the bible that do not have an outside source with which to verify that item/people/place etc. I bring up the example of Pontius Pilate, who was said to not have existed because he wasn't mentioned anywhere other than the bible.
It wasn't long ago when many scholars were questioning the actual existence of a Roman Governor with the name Pontius Pilate, the procurator who ordered Jesus' crucifixion. In June 1961 Italian archaeologists led by Dr. Frova were excavating an ancient Roman amphitheatre near Caesarea-on-the-Sea (Maritima) and uncovered this interesting limestone block. On the face is a monumental inscription which is part of a larger dedication to Tiberius Caesar which clearly says that it was from "Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea." Now it isn't in dispute. The more evidence that comes out, the more validity the bible has (maybe) in skeptics minds. That or they have to point to something else they don't think the bible is accurate on.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 24 of 78 (232605)
08-12-2005 11:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Wolf
08-12-2005 11:32 AM
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Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
It proves that the city, pool, town, village indeed existed. Does not prove there is a God. See message 23. I'm not proving God, nor is this thread attempting to. It is simply another verification of the historical accuracy of the Bible. If christains think that the bible is the infallable word of God, then it only takes one archealogical/historical contradiction to blow the entire case we make! Yet time after time, the bible is verified by archeology and history. Proving God is another thread, and most will say it can't be done.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 28 of 78 (232635)
08-12-2005 1:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by jar
08-12-2005 12:20 PM
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Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
If you are going to argue for the Bible's historical accuracy don't you think you should also keep a list of the times it was wrong? Give me an example.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 30 of 78 (232641)
08-12-2005 1:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by jar
08-12-2005 1:44 PM
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Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
This thread is about historical accuracy of recent archeology that supports the bible, and I'm going to stick to that topic. So do you have any examples of that? You have no archeological evidence to prove that the Flood the conquest of Canaan the Exodus six day creation did not happen. This message has been edited by Tal, 08-12-2005 01:57 PM
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 33 of 78 (232648)
08-12-2005 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Yaro
08-12-2005 2:08 PM
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This whole thread is about...
You can't prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? No evidence points to them happening. Why should we belive it?
This thread was started to prove that the pool of Siloam as written in Zachariah and John actually existed because archeologists unearthed it/found it (again), however you want to say it. Are you guys bringing up the flood and a 6 day creation as a strawman to disprove the archeological find?
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: This whole thread is about...
It sounds as if the intention was a bit stronger than one particular place mentioned in the Gospel of John is confirmed to have existed. The wording makes it appear as if the poster thinks this particular find should give credence to all the events in the Gospel.
The accuracy is exactly what is being debated here. Has this find supported the accuracy of John/Zachariah, or diminished? This was in no way intended, at least by me, to prove that Jesus fed the 5,000. So the OP is correct, it indicates the historical accuracy of the gospel of John.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 38 of 78 (232663)
08-12-2005 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by jar
08-12-2005 2:21 PM
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Re: This whole thread is about...
Jar, I am 100% with you. Using this to justify feeding the 5,000 or the conquest of Cana is not the issue in this thread. You still have yet to tell me what archeologicaal finds there are that refute the biblical accounts.
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 40 of 78 (232666)
08-12-2005 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by jar
08-12-2005 2:34 PM
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Re: This whole thread is about...
It indicates the historical accuracy of pool.
*sigh*
WWXD? What would Xenu do? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: This whole thread is about...
That is false, and your inability to recognize that fact is almost embarrassing.
What is at issue is whether or not the historicity of the pool of Siloam is at all significant. All fiction, folklore, and legend are repleat with references to the real world. There are, indeed, farms in Kansas, and the state has seen far more than its fair share of tornados. None of this should be seen as exidence for the Munchkins or the Wizard of Oz. This point has been made over and over in this thread, and your inability to get it can only suggest diminished mental capacity or willful ignorance.
Was Job a real man? How about Jacob's wife Rachel? (yeah, I'm talkin about Gensis). Yes, they were both real. How do I know? Job is buried in the modern day country of Oman. I've been to Job's tomb. He's burried in Salalah. I've also been to Rachel's tomb. It is just inside the palestinian authority. It doesn't get much more real than that. Interestingly enough, I've been to Jesus' tomb also.
'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 50 of 78 (233667)
08-16-2005 12:12 PM
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Wow, those are really deep replies. So instead of adding to thread you simply insult me. Good point.
'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 53 of 78 (233712)
08-16-2005 2:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by deerbreh
08-16-2005 1:52 PM
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Re: Great Leap of Logic here.
In the case of the bible, I define historical accuracy as the people and places written about in the bible are believed to be true, and archeological finds either confirm or deny what it written about people and places in the bible. For instance, the Book of mormon claims that Indians are decendants of Jews. But in recent DNA tests, Indians have proven to be of Siberean descent (suprise?). No, there is no archeology to prove the flood. Examples of historical accuracy for the bible are things like Pilate being confirmed to be a real person, the high priest Ciaphas being a real person (he was the political leader that lead the charges against Jesus), King David/Solomon being confirmed to be real, the Hittites mentioned in the bible were not thought to exist until recently..etc. Some things are not clear, like some Cannanite cities that are recorded in the bible that have not been found, or the Hebrews in Egypt. But as more is actually found, the more those finds are found to be in line with what his written in the bible.
'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: Evidence of David and Solomon?
While I don't necessarily disbelieve that these were real people, I wasn't aware that there was any definitive evidence (outside the Old Testament) that either of these two people actually existed. Check out the list of Isreali Kings that have been identified by neighboring counties. It is interesting, but I haven't read any further on it.
Search | United Church of God From a skeptics point of view
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.bibleinterp.com/commentary/McKensie_020301.htm Professor McKenzie says that the evidence for David is meager, but it does exist, and he refers to the finds made in 1993. THIS JUST IN...KING DAVIDS PALACE FOUND!!! 5 August 2005.
New York Times Ok that is huge. May want to start a thread on that too. This message has been edited by Tal, 08-16-2005 02:57 PM
'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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