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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet time after time, the bible is verified by archeology and history. And it is also shown to be wrong time after time by archeology and history. If you are going to argue for the Bible's historical accuracy don't you think you should also keep a list of the times it was wrong? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Short list:
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's stick to the topic.
First, yes, of course there is evidence that the flood, the conquest of Canaan, the Exodus (as described in the Bible) and the six day creation never happened. If you wish there are many threads supporting each of those assertion. The whole body of the Armana letters covers the period when the Biblical Conquest of Canaan would have been happening and no one even noticed. Now to the Pool. There were several pools built at many times around that location. Finding them is of great interest however they do little to show the historical accuracy of the Bible other than a general knowledge of the area. The point is, that if you are going to use something as support, you must also consider all of the evoidence that does not support the conclusion. Just as with prophecy, you cannot just accept those things that support your belief while ignoring those that do not. You have to look at both sides of the evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think anyone disputes the find although the jury is still out on exactly what has been found.
The issue is with using the find as justification to say that other things in the Bible must also be true. That is unwarranted. The examples shown, for example the conquest of Canaan, are brought up to show that while some archeology might support Biblical accounts, other equally valid archeological finds refute Biblical accounts. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So the OP is correct, it indicates the historical accuracy of the gospel of John. No! It indicates the historical accuracy of pool. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I did mention the Armana Letters and there are many threads here that deal with Jericho and Ai. Going into all of the evidence is certainly OT here in any case.
Here is one link to a thread on the issue of the Message 1. Start a thread and we can discuss some of the others. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I've been to the Hospital and seen Cabbage Patch Dolls born. They really do come from a head of Cabbage and we were fortuunate enough to see my daughter's Cabbage Patch baby born. It was a moving experience. She was called over the loudspeaker, pulled out of the tour line and rushed to the waiting room. She (my daughter) had to wear a special hospital gown and mask when the Nurse brought the baby from the birthing room out into the nursery.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Some things are not clear, like some Cannanite cities that are recorded in the bible that have not been found, or the Hebrews in Egypt. But as more is actually found, the more those finds are found to be in line with what his written in the bible. Tal, you must also include the negative evidence. For example you mention that some "Cannanite cities that are recorded in the bible that have not been found" when in fact, what has been found is that at the time the conquest of Canaan was supposedly happening, no one living in the area was aware of any invading army or nation called Israel, and that many of the towns mentioned were but small villages at best during the period, some not even occupied. It's fine when things do come to light about the area, the periods and the peoples, but an honest appraisal looks at all of the evidence. For example, there is no evidence that the Hittites mentioned in the Bible are the Hittites that have been discovered. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Here is what is written on the Moabite Stone.
I am Mesha, son of Kemoshmelek, the king of Moab, the Dibonite. My father was king over Moab for thirty years, and I became king after my father. And I made this high place for Kemosh in Qarhar . . . because of the deliverance of Mesha, and because he has saved me from all the kings and because he caused me to see [my desire] upon all who hated me. Omri, king of Israel -- he oppressed Moab many days, because Chemosh was angry with his land. And his son succeeded him, and he also said I will oppress Moab. In my day he spoke according to this word, but I saw my desire upon him and upon his house, and Israel utterly perished forever. Now Omri had possessed all the land of Medeba and dwelt in it his days and half the days of his son, forty years, but Chemosh restored it in my day. And I built Baal-meon and I made in it the reservoir and I built Kiryathaim. And the men of Gad had dwelt in the land of Ataroth from ofold and the king of Israel had built for himself Ataroth. And I foutht against the city and took it, and I slew all the people of the city, a sight pleasing to Chemosh and to Moab. And I brought back from there the altar-hearth of Duda and I dragged it before Chemosh in Kiryoth. And I caused to dwell in it the men of Sharon and the men of Meharoth (?). And Chemosh said to me: "Go take Nebo against Israel"; and I went by night and fought against it from break of dawn till noon, and I took it and slew all, seven thousand men, boys (?), and women, and girls, for I had devoted it to Ashtar-Chemosh. And I took from there the altar-hearths of Yahweh, and I dragged them before Chemosh. And the king of Israel built Jabaz and dwelt in it while he fought with me and Chemosh drove him out from before me. And I took from Moab two hundred men, all its chiefs, and I led them against Jahaz and took it to add unto Dibon. And I built Qarhar (?), the wall of the forests and the wall of the hill; and I built its gates and I built its towers, and I built the kings house, and I made the sluices (?) for the reservoir of water in the midst of the city. And there was no cistern in the midst of the city, in Qarhar (?); and I said to all the people: "Make you each a cistern in his house;" and I cut the cuttings for Qarhar (?) with the help of the prisoners of Israel. I built Aroer and I made the highway by the Arnon. And I built Beth-bamoth, for it had been destroyed. And I built Bezer, for it was in ruins....(Chi) of Dibon wer fifty, for all Dibon was obedient. And I ruled. And I ruled a hundred....in the cities which I had added to the land. And I built [Mede]ba dnd Beth-diblathan. And [as for] Beth-baal-meon, there I placed sheep-raisers....sheep of the land... And [as for] Horonaim there dwelt in it....and.....Chemosh said unto me: "Go down, fight against Horonaim," and I went down and....Chemosh in my day, and from there.....and I....... Your source says:
Tal Source writes: The Moabite Stone provides that information, telling of King Omri’s conquest from the Moabite perspective. In the section above please point out where it says that Omri conqured Moab? The best you can do is find a reference to the town of Medeba which changed hands several times. Your source makes assertions but once again they do not seem to be supported by even their own documentation.
from the stone writes: And his son succeeded him, and he also said I will oppress Moab. In my day he spoke according to this word, but I saw my desire upon him and upon his house, and Israel utterly perished forever. This message has been edited by jar, 08-17-2005 09:45 AM This message has been edited by jar, 08-17-2005 10:31 AM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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