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gene90
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Message 60 of 74 (3581)
02-06-2002 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by TrueCreation
01-27-2002 10:46 PM


The claim of 250ft of ice accumulating on aircraft is absurd because the actual climate data from Greenland contradicts it.
Accumulation of snow in Greenland on one summit, 1800s-Present
(Avg: 0.246 meters/year)
http://www.ume.maine.edu/GISP2/DATA/Accum.html
ICR conveniently ignores direct measurements of ice accumulation in favor of indirect methods? Why?
Also they ignore some other interesting possible explanations for 250 ft of ice. Avalanches and blowing snow.

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gene90
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Message 66 of 74 (3613)
02-06-2002 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by TrueCreation
02-06-2002 10:44 PM


[QUOTE][b]"ICR conveniently ignores direct measurements of ice accumulation in favor of indirect methods? Why?"
--The actual depth was 268ft.[/QUOTE]
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I've decided that that snow probably did bury the planes. Look what it did to their camp.
http://www.thelostsquadron.com/camp1.html
But it doesn't explain the discordance between that site and the snowfall records for that summit. What we have here is probably an anomaly, not a general rule for the rate of icecap growth. Also the ICR article didn't mention seasonal varves in the ice or the dust from historical volcanic eruptions. I still call that sloppy work.
[QUOTE][b]I think I would like to e-mail the project manager and ask a couple questions, what is it you would expect to observe in the glacial formation from (A):An Avalanche and (B):Blowing snow?[/QUOTE]
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Moot point. But (a) a steep incline (b) curving ice layers near the planes. Note however the emailing the project manager is futile. ICR had nothing to do with the removal of those aircraft, they simply clipped a news article and said, "hey look! icecaps grow 258 ft in 50 years!"
If you did want to ask ICR a question (and this is not relevant to the current discussion), maybe you could ask them how they can call what they do science when they make all their conclusions before they do any research? What would happen if they found evidence that the Bible was wrong on a point, and how could they come to terms with that error? Would they be forced to ignore any evidence contrary to their worldview? If so, how much evidence are they ignoring today?
"The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the Creator."
"The Bible, consisting of the thirty-nine canonical books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament, is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological."
--ICR Tenets of Creationism
http://www.icr.org/abouticr/tenets.htm

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gene90
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Message 67 of 74 (3614)
02-06-2002 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by TrueCreation
02-06-2002 11:39 PM


[QUOTE][b]So, is there layering or evidence that snow accummulated quickly over the lost squadron?[/QUOTE]
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Probably. Take a geochemist up there and try to identify ash deposits in the ice. But removing those aircraft was an endeavour in digging, not a geophysical expedition.

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gene90
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Message 69 of 74 (3619)
02-07-2002 12:09 AM
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02-07-2002 12:02 AM


[QUOTE][b]as they are sometimes depicted as being annual or seasonal deposits of ice and snow.[/QUOTE]
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Hmm. You could take pollen counts too.

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