positive evidence of creationism

P-38's in the Greenland ice again? Why do Creationists recycle the same old repeatedly refuted argumnets over and over again???Think, people... Is the precipitation rate constant over an area the size of, say, Washington State? Would you expect to find the same rainfall totals in the desert of Eastern Washington as you find in Seattle?So why do you mindlessly extrapolate conditions at the southern edge of Greenland (which is far larger than Washington State) to the high and dry interior plateau on top of the thickest part of the ice sheet?In one area, lots of snow falls every year - just like the Cascade Range in Oregon and Washington. The planes are buried quickly and deeply.In another area, the ice accumulation is measured in millimeters per year. It is a desert, just like the eastern part of Washington - for the same reasons. The mountains along the coast of Greenland trap the moisture before it gets all the way inland. A plane that lands on a glacier in those mountains gets covered quickly. But in the dry interior, it takes hundreds of thousands of years to build up a mile or two of ice.You should feel betrayed and angry at the charlatans who purposely misled you into regurgitating this load of crap. How can you trust people who are so deceitful?

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So, is there layering or evidence that snow accummulated quickly over the lost squadron?

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all you need is an abundance of layering, if it is true that they developed in these other ways rather than uniform accumulation, then layers should not be as condensed, as they are sometimes depicted as being annual or seasonal deposits of ice and snow.

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It should be obvious that there is evidence that snow accumulated quickly over the planes. Otherwise, they would not be buried under 268 feet of ice, would they?As I mentioned before, the planes were found in south-eastern Greenland where precipitation is highest. The ice cores used for long-term climate studies (and which are impossible to reconclie with YECreationism) are taken high on the ice sheet in the center of Greenland which is nearly as dry as the Sahara...It's possible the ice built up as part of the dynamic processes of the moving glacier. Melting ice from one part of the glacier might flow out onto the surface and refreeze over the planes.Evidence of layering? You might be referring to annual variations in oxygen isotope ratios, volcanic dust, CO2, and many other variables measured in ice cores. These layers would be easy to pick out in the 50 or so layers above the planes if snowfall were responsible for their burial. We might expect to see something like this: Figure 12 — Average yearly temperature change between 60-90oN from AD 1875-1977 (Self et al., 1981). Arrows represent volcanic events observed in the 20D ice core (Mayewski et al., 1990) from southern Greenland. Taken from Lyons et al. (1990).or this: Figure 14 — Comparison of GISP2 and Siple Dome ice core records with potential climate forcing factors. The GISP2 and Siple Dome Na and excess (xs) SO42- records (in ppb) were resampled to 5-year intervals (the lowest common resolution in both records is ~3 years). Two time periods discussed in the text are highlighted: 1680-1730 AD (period of coeval Na increase in Siple Dome and GISP2 records) and 1399-1427 AD (onset of LIA conditions). Two prominent volcanic events at 1815 AD (Tambora) and 1259 AD (possibly El Chichon) were used to confirm the Siple Dome annual layer counting and to correlate with the GISP2 record. The obvious xsSO42- increase during the last century in the GISP2 record, attributed to anthropogenic emissions (Mayewski et al., 1986), is notably absent from the Siple Dome and other Antarctic xsSO42- records . Did you notice the historical volcanic events used to confirm the annual layer counting? That means they have counted the annual layers and found a layer of volcanic dust and SO4 at exactly the right number of layers to correspond to known volcanic eruptions (which spread dust and sulfate aerosols worldwide).Here's another one: Figure 16 — Atmospheric compositional variations throughout the last 200 years as deduced from analyses of trapped gases in Antarctic ice. The records show the rapid accumulation of three trace gas species in the atmosphere, largely the result of increased emissions of these gases, which relate to increased world population (McEvedy and Jones, 1978). Also included are records of direct measurements, which started in 1957 (Keeling et al., 1976). Data taken from Etheridge et al. (1992, 1996) for CO2 and CH4, and Machida et al. (1995) for N2O.
and another: Figure 17 — Time series of the non-seasalt sulfate (SO42-, red line) and nitrate (NO3-, blue line) concentrations at ice core site 20D, southern Greenland. To remove seasonal signals, data have been smoothed to 1 year from the original ~5.8 samples per year. Examples of volcanic events recorded in nss sulfate spikes are: (1) Laki (1783); (2) Tambora (1815); (3) Katmai (1912). Modified from Mayewski et al. (1990).Notice the "seasonal signals" they had to remove to see the long-term trend. That means the record is so detailed, that seasonal variations are apparent. Anyone who doubts these scientists' ability to distinguish annual layers in ice cores is seriously deluded or ignorant of the facts. Perhaps these images will help dispel some of that ignorance. trying to fix pic size...will try again later as it is late here - The Queen
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