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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well Jesus certainly doesn't fit any definition of the Jewish Messiah and even by the totally new definition created by Christianity when they realized the end was not gonna come within the time period Jesus promised, Jesus has to be considered a failed Messiah.
Now I believe that Jesus is the Messiah but so far he is still a failed Messiah. That may still change in the future but so far it's still simply an unsupported belief.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However, they are consistent in saying that they walked, talked, touched and even ate with Jesus and that He was in some sense physical, but it was a renewed physicality. Well, no. Not all the accounts mention eating with Jesus or touching Jesus.
As I said earlier that in some way the body of the resurrected Jesus connected God's space, (call it heaven if you like), with our space. Part of the point is that ultimately God's space and our space will be fully joined. Not even sure there is any evidence to support that assertion in any of the resurrection accounts.
The Biblical and Christian message is that we are to be stewards of this creation. That I agree with.
There can be no doubt that the first Jesus followers became Jesus followers because of the firm conviction that Jesus had died and come out the other side in a renewed physicality. They built there whole theology around that belief. The first theologian Paul stated that if this wasn't true then "we" are the most to be pitied. If I didn't believe it to be the case I would simply not bother with church or things Christian and I wouldn't call myself a Christian. I know there are those like Dom Crossan who argue against this but Dom, ( a great guy by the way), is not a Christian in the religious sense but in the philosophical sense only. Okay. If that is what you believe it's fine.
Well if the resurrected Jesus just reappeared in the same way that others have experiences of visions of loved ones who have died then once again we simply have another failed messiah. It makes Jesus simply a well meaning crank. But so far Jesus is still just a failed messiah but that does not mean the same as crank.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If Jesus was not resurrected as the first Jesus followers believed then he was a crank, which is not saying that His social message wasn't valid. It does mean though that there is no reason to give His message any more credibility than Gandhi or Buddha. Without the physical resurrection of Jesus, Christianity is a social movement only and is a sham as a religion. Come on. Don't sound like Faith. Is Taoism a religion? Is Buddhism a religion? Is Judaism a religion? Is Islam a religion? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Have you ever read the Bible Faith?
When did Luke meet Jesus?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So a religion is possible without Jesus actual resurrection?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So Christianity, today's Christianity is possible even if Jesus never really existed?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Just read it and believe it. That's the only way you'll get the answers to your questions. How can you actually do that and still deal with all the contradictions?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If people believe then does it matter whether or not the belief is based on reality?
And aren't Taoism and Buddhism religions? And is God alive? Can you apply the terms alive or dead to a supernatural entity? But did Jesus command anyone to worship a living Jesus? What are the two Great Commandments?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jesus said Repent and believe. That's all we're supposed to do. You really haven't read the Bible have you Faith.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course you can, unless you are a Calvinist.
We can love God and our neighbors whether we have ever heard of Jesus or any gospels or repented anything. The end is no more at hand today than it was 2000 years ago. Following the two Great Commandments is about living, not dying. But Calvinists have never been able to do that.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: jar writes:
Truth matters If people believe then does it matter whether or not the belief is based on reality? LOL But there is no way while still alive to know the truth when it comes to whether or not Jesus actually lived at all.
GDR writes: jar writes:
Yes
And is God alive?jar writes:
Unknowable Can you apply the terms alive or dead to a supernatural entity? If it is unknowable to apply the terms alive or dead to a supernatural entity then how can you answer "Yes" to the question "Is God alive?"Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
...and there is no way we can actually know whether Julius Caesar lived or not. Actually yes, we can know whether or not Julius Caesar lived or not with a VERY high degree of certainty. But that is not at all true when it comes to Jesus. There are no coins bearing Jesus likeness, no statues, no non Biblical contemporary references but we have all of those things when it comes to Julius Caesar.
It is my belief that God is alive. If you are talking about a generic supernatural entity then I have no idea.
How do you apply the terms alive or dead to God? What does that mean?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The Bible is an anthology of anthologies edited by a bias group who decided what the content would be.
GDR writes: However, I agree we can't know that Jesus existed just as we can't know he didn't. There is no evidence to show that He didn't. Nor have I tried to show Jesus never existed. What I have said is it doesn't really matter; Christianity today and in the past was based on belief not facts.
GDR writes: jar writes: How do you apply the terms alive or dead to God? What does that mean? You tell me. You asked the question. But I cannot tell you since I cannot see how the terms alive or dead can have any meaning in relation to a supernatural entity. I do not assert that God is alive or Jesus is alive. AbE:
GDR writes: However, the Bible is not one source. There are several authors talking about Jesus in several books that are collected together. In addition as Luke says in his Gospel the Gospels themselves come from a variety of sources. But it is not a red herring or even a slippery dick. How many authors have written about King Arthur or Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes or Dick Tracy? And their sources come from a variety of sources. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But of course he was wrong Faith, wasn't he, the kingdom of God was not at hand and still is not at hand plus not one of the Gospels even existed when Jesus was supposed to have said that.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So it jess came and went?
Oh come on Faith.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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