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Free will: an illusion

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Message 147 of 309 (322269)
06-16-2006 12:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by Heathen
06-14-2006 8:39 PM

Free will to choose whether or not to follow god, as opposed to waiting for god to choose us...
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Does Free will have any meaning if we are "fallen" and thus cannot make reasonable choices.
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The Calvinist position is that we do not have free will in the sense you are describing it, the ability to choose and follow God. Adam and Eve did, but at the Fall we lost the ability to choose God.
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This is part of the contention between Calvinists and Arminians. Arminians claim we do have the free will to choose God.
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06-16-2006 12:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 149 by iano
06-16-2006 12:41 PM

Yes I notice that stuff too, but then I shake my head hard to clear it. You maybe need a break from the salt mines? I've been needing one for some time.
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Also, I haven't read through this thread thoroughly I must admit, but you are defending the idea that we have free will, Arminian style, aren't you? I as a Calvinist am then disagreeing with you.
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Lost jar it seems; now three on the top line and PY below.
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