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Author Topic:   Free will: an illusion
ikabod
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Message 75 of 309 (321813)
06-15-2006 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
06-14-2006 4:56 PM


1) Free will is an Illusion, since God knows what will happen, what choices we will make.
****** if god is all powerful can he not change the rules that we live with in a "bubble" of free will , that at the same time he knows all but we have free will... he made the universe so he can set the rules ,given he is outside time every thing may be a massive now with out past or future from god view point.. all events are similtanious.*******
2) Without the relevant information to make an informed choice our 'Free will' is not free at all.
******only if you wish to analyis your choice and you assume that there is a right or wrong one ... if you had all the info , would you pick a bad choice just to exersize your free will ?...*******
3) Without the ability to even discern what information is correct (due to our 'fallen state'), free will is irrelevant, pointless, wasted. and point 2 doesn't even come into play.
**** as point 2 , if you have free will you can make a uninformed choice ... you nwant to be able to pick your choice based on so scale ... but what scale do you want .. and even nthen .. with free will you can still pick any choice ******
you can not claim that if god give you the instructions on how to be save .. you have no free will and also claim lack of infomation on how to be save means no free will ...

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ikabod
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Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 124 of 309 (322158)
06-16-2006 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Heathen
06-15-2006 11:11 AM


err sorry but thats the whole god thing .. having super powers ... like creating the universe ... you are saying that because god know what to you is a future event stop free will .. when to god its not the future
so either you except a god who has super power .. or you say there is no god .....or you come up ,with some strange limits you wish to impose on god ..... which is it ... onc e you have set the stage then get on to free will..
is not god setting you the test of discovery , ....if being saved is possible .. is it not only real if you do the "right" things because you belive them to be right OR is it better to follow a given script ?? should we not be good without thought , plan or scheme .. good for goodness sake ... yes i know a very very high ideal .. but self reconision of failing is part of discovery ..

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