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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Are we just here to live this short and sometimes chaotic and stressful life and then die and never live again on Earth or in the afterlife? That just doesn't seem very exciting to me. We live we die and we never have anything afterwords? To me that's just boring. Yet another person claiming that nothing could possibly have any meaning without their god. If I may share what I had written years ago to another such statement, which is quoted in angle brackets at the beginning:
quote: You're so worried about being bored, but you wouldn't be if you were to stop being so self-centered and started thinking about others instead of only about yourself.
ChristianJuggalo,Message 19 writes: So atheists just want to live and die without the belief of living in peace and harmony? That's sad. Atheists do believe in living in peace and harmony and we do seek that. Of course, it doesn't help that we are constantly villified by religous zealots who accuse us of believing the most ridiculous things, like you just did. BTW, I have personally suffered outright and blatant religious discrimination to the extent of being summarily and wrongly expelled from a "public" organization, denied all due process that was guaranteed by that organization, and witnessed my plight being roundly mocked by the organization's other self-righteous members. In other situations, I have been threatened with physical violence by "good Christians" zealous to demonstrate the intensity of their "Christian love" for me, solely because my beliefs were different from theirs. Yes, atheists do indeed want to live in peace and harmony. It's the religous zealots who don't want to. {When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy. ("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
You said you are better than me "morally", HAHA! That actually got me my first laugh of the day. Thank you. Well let's see. We value seeking the truth and being truthful. And we consider lying and deliberate deception to be immoral. We also find hypocrisy to be repugnant. Our observation of most creationists -- especially the zealots and the professionals -- is that they shun the truth and go to great lengths to avoid being truthful. All their claims of "scientific evidence" are lies which they continue to repeat even long after those lies have been been exposed to their face a thousand times. And they persist in using those lies to deliberately deceive others. And all the while they hypocritically claim to love the truth and to serve the "God of Truth" and they proclaim that they have the only claim on morality, even though their actions are profoundly immoral. And after having done all those immoral things and much more and much worse, creationists have then tried to convert me to Christianity. Sorry, but I do not see how anyone with more than a single moral fiber in them could even begin to consider such a thing. {When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy. ("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Hey "dwise1' I'm not "self-centered", ... Your statement to which I was responding demonstrated otherwise. BTW, there's no need to put one's moniker in quotation marks. Unless your intent was ridicule. If that was your intent, then I would suggest that you simply ask me about my moniker. If you instead don't ask and simply proceed thinking what you're obviously already thinking, then I can assure you that you are dead wrong.
I actually do think about other people. I would hope so. Bear in mind that that would include not projecting your own beliefs onto them. Such projection is yet another demonstration of being self-centered.
Also, I do not avoid being truthfull. I am as truthfull as I can be. I think you are generalizing christians as a whole. I do have morals and I do try to do what's right. I was relating my repeated experience with creationists for over 20 years. There have been a few, very few exceptions, but the vast majority of those creationists have conducted themselves exactly as I described. I have also met and been friends with many other Christians, most of whom do not follow the "creation science" path. Good and bad among them, just as is found in all groups regardless of religious beliefs. If you do have morals, then do please practice them. And be as truthful as you can be. But please stop your self-centered projections that lead you to claim that nobody else is moral nor truthful. Understand that you do not have any monopoly on morality.
ChristianJuggalo,Message 78 writes: Actually, I will read the inforamtion on the "Big Bang" with an open mind. Who are you to tell me what I will do. You don't think I will therefore you say I won't just to make yourself feel better. Taz is just speaking from hard-earned experience. Your conduct fits the pattern of far too many others he has -- we have -- encountered repeatedly for far too long. Others who have promised to seek information with an open mind and who had then done all they could to not honor that promise. It's the old "duck theorem" in action. The ball is in your court to prove him wrong. Will you? Edited by dwise1, : No reason given. {When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy. ("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)
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