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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 65 of 204 (251993)
10-15-2005 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Chiroptera
10-15-2005 1:53 PM


Re: unsupported assumptions
quite.
nowhere does the old testament suggest that god is perfect. simply that he is deserving of worship. why? the whole entire basis of judaism is "i am the lord thy god who brought you out of egypt". he is powerful enough to have provided for their escape and thus their future as a people. that is why they must worship him; because without him they would not exist. in genesis, the suggestion is that the characteristics of god are all knowledge and eternal life. this says nothing of righteousness. the old testament speaks of people being 'perfect' as being men of faith such as moses (even though his faith failed) and david and so forth who depended on god to provide for them. this has nothing to do with the great sins many of them perpetrated, it has to do with their faith and how recklessly they pursued their god and a joyous relationship with him (as david's dancing in his skivies).
i would suggest that pauline christianity focusses FAR too greatly on the rules to the detriment of the joy of faith. perhaps god is not the panultimate being who created the universe and everything in it, maybe he's just some really cool guy who way long time go achieved knowledge of all things and eternal life. maybe he's a different kind of creature. whatever. immaterial. if he exists, then he should be enjoyed, not viewed as a catholic school teacher waiting to smack you with a ruler everytime you look like you might be thinking the wrong thing.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 67 of 204 (252000)
10-15-2005 3:10 PM
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10-15-2005 2:21 PM


Re: Pauline?
no. but paul is viewed as the founder of the church.
jesus didn't discuss a whole great number of rules... certainly not on the scale of paul. jesus demonstrated love. paul does not. neither does his church.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 70 of 204 (252011)
10-15-2005 3:32 PM
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10-15-2005 3:23 PM


Re: Pauline?
precisely. but my point is that the church never got past paul. i'm suggesting that that is exactly what you have to do in order to see that it's about loving god and enjoying him not following a bunch of rules made up by a self-depracating, misogynistic gay man who could never accept that fanaticism isn't cool.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 71 of 204 (252013)
10-15-2005 3:34 PM
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10-15-2005 3:31 PM


Re: pagan innovations
i try.
yeah. the greeks were way too interested in two things. perfection and buttsex.

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