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Author Topic:   Who's afraid of a godless universe?
nator
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Message 18 of 49 (288419)
02-19-2006 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
02-19-2006 7:35 PM


Re: theophobia
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DON'T YOU KNOW THAT A BEING THAT HAS SUCH FEELINGS COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE COME TO EXIST BY PURELY BIOCHEMICAL PROCESSES?
Why not?
quote:
DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THE VERY EXISTENCE OF SUCH FEELINGS PROVES THAT THERE IS A GOD WHO MADE YOU AND THAT HE IS A GOOD GOD?
Says you.
Does that mean that because there are people who feel that aliens have been beaming messages into their brains proves that aliens exist and are communicating with them?

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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 37 of 49 (288636)
02-20-2006 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by iano
02-20-2006 7:35 AM


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Because that would involve us believing that a random assortment of chemical accidents resulted in a creature that is able to decide that they are a random assortment of chemical accidents.
The question was, "Why couldn't it be possible that certain feelings could have come to exist from a creature that is the result of purely biochemical processes?"
You haven't answered it.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 40 of 49 (289016)
02-21-2006 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by iano
02-20-2006 7:34 PM


Re: When in doubt - circle the wagons
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I'm not saying it is not possible
Good.
Since Faith claimed it was not possible, and you now disagree with her and say that it is possible, then I have no argument with you.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 46 of 49 (289541)
02-22-2006 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by iano
02-21-2006 10:46 AM


Re: When in doubt - circle the wagons
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For it to be possible however, it must be possible that an argument can pull itself up by its own bootstraps. I'm not saying that that is impossible but just that it kind of makes nonsense of any discussion about things if we accept that bootstrap arguments should be admitted into the realm of possible?
You know, I don't really understand what you mean regarding this "bootsrap" business.
Faith said that if someone had a certain feeling about life, it was therefore "impossible" that life could have arisen from purely biochemical processes, AND that her version of the Christian God HAD to be behind it all.
To me, this argument makes no sense at all.
How does any of that logically follow from someone having a feeling about life?
I have a feeling about a Godless universe that is not anything like the terrified feeling that Faith was responding to. I am not terrified at all. Does that mean that it is IMPOSSIBLE that a God created the universe and it simply MUST be the case that we are products of purely Biochemical processes?
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You didn't strike me as someone content to reside in the realm of "absolutely anything at all is possible".
Anything at all IS possible.
It's how probable something is that is generally determinable.

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