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Author Topic:   Is this Bible verse about believers and poison to be taken literally?
arachnophilia
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Message 5 of 142 (202632)
04-26-2005 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
04-25-2005 10:24 PM


heh, normally i use that point myself. alright, i'll play along.
It very clearly says that anyone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah will be able to drink any deadly thing without coming to any harm.
quote:
Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted [him] in Massah.

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Message 6 of 142 (202634)
04-26-2005 1:14 PM
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04-26-2005 11:42 AM


Re: Just wanted to amke it clear
Many of us believe that was part of creating a cult and is simply wrong.
you mean "southern baptists?"
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Message 24 of 142 (202845)
04-26-2005 10:11 PM
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04-26-2005 7:06 PM


Well, Deuteronomy in the OT and the passage I am quoting is from the NT.
Wouldn't most Christian Biblical Literalists give more weight to the NT?
fair 'nuff.
quote:
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Message 27 of 142 (202855)
04-26-2005 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
04-26-2005 9:44 PM


Re: It has a specific context, doesn't mean "all"
You are sure it is saying that ALL Christians ALWAYS will exhibit these immunities to dangers, and that since all obviously don't, the passage is false.
well, i think you're right on target here. i think that is what this thread is about. the degree of flexibility, or how literal we should take stuff.
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Message 63 of 142 (203250)
04-28-2005 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by DBlevins
04-28-2005 4:24 AM


oh lay off
And we are all to assume that you are the one who has the knowledge to understand the perfect contextual meaning? I mean, believers all have varied levels of knowledge but you and your group has perfect understanding?
she is basically right, though. sometimes, the bible uses idioms, and poetic language. sometimes there are parables. but generally the bible means more or less exactly what it says, and is not some kind of coded message or extended metaphor. (except maybe revelation, i'm not sure one way or the other)
however, the context often indicates a less than perfectly literal reading would be appropriate. for instance, the verse in question is not talking about stuff you should do to test your faith or the faith of another, it's talking about signs. some bits of context indicate that even while the stories are to be read literally, the stuff that happens in them is not neccessarily an accurate reflection of what happened, per se, but is far a less important concern than preserving tradition or meaning or message. basically "our stories go like this" instead of "this is what happened."
but overall, the bible does say what it means literally. and i've annoyed more than one literalist on this board for the simple reason that i read it far more literally than they do. they're more concerned with it being literally TRUE than literally read. and so they justify it out of context, and bend to match some distortion of reality.
but here, a literalist is arguing FOR context. that's a BIG step.
(oh, and faith, i'll get back to you on our debate a little later. i think i'm gonna take a bit of a hiatus from this board...)

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Message 64 of 142 (203251)
04-28-2005 4:44 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dan Carroll
04-27-2005 4:37 PM


Re: Metaphor
Except that God didn't say "go ahead and swim out into the ocean; I'll pull you back."
actually, i think he said something to effect of "walk on it, don't swim"
I see no reason or logic in drinking poison.
It will convert Schraf, thereby saving her soul.
if she turns it into the water of life, it mean the shai-hulud approve, and she can become a reverend mother.

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