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Jazzns

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Message 63 of 219 (246933)
09-28-2005 10:37 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
09-23-2005 12:28 PM

First off, Genesis is a story. God nor the nature of God is bound by a story written by men borrowed from other cultures.

Second, even if the story was true, everyone here is assuming that God actually did know what choice Adam and Eve would make.

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Message 89 of 219 (247029)
09-28-2005 4:25 PM

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09-28-2005 10:59 AM

Re: Genesis. Fact or Fiction?

I think you are correct that it is just a story. Trouble is that there are many here who don't think that. to them it is literal history.

Sure. My whole point through was in regards to the OP which is dismissive of God based on acceptance of this mythology. Therefore it seems a bit extreme to discount God due to some section of the populations rigid definition of Him.

Again the claim here is that God is omnipotent and omniscient. Any such God HAS to know the choice they would make since that lack of knowledge would lessen him. He is either all powerful and all knowing or he isn't.

Well I can't seem to find that claim in the OP. Certainly if you DEFINE God as omnipotent the conclusion is warranted but if that conclusion is ABOUT God then it seems very much like begging the question.

"Well, if God is omnipotent then he is a big jerk for letting bad things happen."

"Mabye God is not omnipotent."

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Message 91 of 219 (247033)
09-28-2005 4:33 PM

Reply to: Message 70 by iano
09-28-2005 12:17 PM

That would have to be demonstrated. Faith would be a good one to talk to on that.

Well that it was written by man I don't think needs to be argued. That it is borrowed mythology is a topic that has been discussed here many times. It has been shown sufficiently enough to those of us who have a world view compatible with possibility of biblical errancy. The whole point of that statement was to counter the thought that God is a jerk based on a biblical literalist's definition of God. In other words, the state of God does not depend on your opinion, nor Faith's opinion, nor my opinion, etc.

God knew every person who would be born before the creation of the world. He knows how many hairs are on your head at this moment (in my case that isn't so hard but...). God knows when a sparrow falls to the ground. There is no evidence to suggest he didn't know A&E's choice. In fact Jesus as a sacrifice was known before the creation of the world. Since A&E's choice necessitated his sacrifice it follows that their choice was in fact known before it happened

I am pretty sure I remember that some of those things are Biblical. Since I am no theologan, care to offer Book/Chapter/Verse as support?

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