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Blue Jay
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Message 29 of 213 (480360)
09-02-2008 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by iano
09-02-2008 7:08 PM


Hi, Iano.
It's good to see you(r words) again.
iano writes:
Do you believe that you are in possession of sensory equipment that is able to inform you of an external reality you believe exists.
I won't try to speak for Rahvin, but I believe, just as you say.
However, I don't think it requires "external reality" or anything like that to be a valid approach.
If I see a bird, I can point to it, and everybody else you could imagine (who is capable of sight) will probably agree with me that there is a bird there.
But, if I "feel" a prompting from the Holy Spirit, I can point it out, but there would be a vast array of different thoughts about the matter.
We should have some psychoanalysts test this. They could show a short video clip that plays a spiritual message to several volunteers individually, then have them describe what they saw, heard and "felt." You will probably see a great deal of similarity between volunteers in what they saw and heard, but there will no doubt be wide variance in what they felt.
Just based on that, it should be obvious that visual and auditory evidence are more reliable and consistent between observers. So, naturally, it's that kind of evidence (visual and auditory) that should be sought in favor of God and other supernatural things, simply because those senses show greater inherent objectivity than spiritual feelings, and they are more easily confirmed or denied.

-Bluejay
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts
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Message 32 of 213 (480370)
09-02-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by iano
09-02-2008 10:41 PM


Hi, Iano.
iano writes:
Apples vs Pears?
No, I don't think so.
I think the fact that you think so is really evidence for my side of the debate.
Feelings are not capable of producing across-the-board consensus in the same manner that the sensory perceptions are. Even if we are in "The Matrix," the difference between the conformity of feelings versus the conformity of sensory perceptions across individuals is still evident. If this is just an "internal universe," all the different sensory perceptions and feelings come ultimately from you, anyway, and so the best conclusion is still that sensory perceptions are more consistent than emotions. The only alternative is still that somebody on the "outside" is trying to trick you (or, in the case of your "internal universe," that you are unknowingly trying to trick yourself).
It is therefore most reasonable to conclude that sensory perceptions are more closely tied to reality (of any sort) than are feelings. And, that's why physical evidence should be the only type of evidence considered.
Edited by Bluejay, : Typo

-Bluejay
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