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Author Topic:   Absolute Morality...again.
happy_atheist
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Message 282 of 300 (336693)
07-30-2006 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Hyroglyphx
07-30-2006 11:10 AM


Re: Lets try this one more time
Just one small point...
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Everyone is in agreement that murder is "wrong."
This statement can be expanded to
Everyone is in agreement that killing that is wrong, is wrong
This statement holds true in both moral relativism and moral absolutism because it is a tautology. A person who deems no killing to be wrong could truthfully agree to this statement equally with a person who deems that all killing is wrong.
Thus saying that "everone condisders murder to be wrong" in no way implies moral absolutism or denies moral relativism.

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happy_atheist
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Message 297 of 300 (337035)
07-31-2006 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2006 12:01 PM


Re: Lets try this one more time
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
If you agree that there is an innate sense of murder being adherently "wrong," then that is an absolute phenomenon. That isn't relative at all. Therefore, if you use that argument your point will render itself moot.
There is certainly not an innate sense that murder is wrong. There is a definition that murder is wrong. Someone who thinks that all killing is virtuous and good would still say that murder is wrong, because that is the definition of the word!
Think of it like this. There is a man that hates the taste of bananas, can't stand them and is physically ill when he eats them. But someone says to him "Delicious bananas taste good". Can the man argue with that? Of course not, because the sentence is correct by definition. But it does not establish which (if any) bananas are delicious.
You need to forget about the word murder, and focus on the ethical issue behind it. Murder does not mean killing, and the issue at hand here is killing. What killing is right, and what killing is wrong? That is where you will find moral absolutism or moral relativism, not in deceptively loaded definitions of words.

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