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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Sorry for the ignorance, but what is a yob?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I was thinking about your words in my spare time.
Its hard sometimes to meditate on what people say in here, because of time constraints. But when I sit down and spend time with God, and pray I get answers. The other thing is that it is a forum, and we are limited to it being just that. But I get a sense of peace from you, its nice. I wanted to ask you, you have forgiven everyone, and that is beautiful. Have you made any oaths in your life based on what people have done to you?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I have prayed about what you have said to me. you bring up a lot of hard issues, and sometimes I do not have all the answers. But the truth of the matter is that God has put the responsibility in our hands.
There are several religions in Africa. I do not know if it is Christians being slaughtered, but God definatly answers our prayers when we are praying for help in such a desperate time as this. Those are the times that you truely call out to God. the best I can do in my life is to pray for them too, and go and help when I can. I may or may not go to Africa, but I will be going to different parts of the world to help. Our organization did do a collection for the victims in Burundi. It was our children over there that got slaughtered. Children that are being supported by Hope For the Nations. You seem to be getting mad at single incidents and refuse to look at the bigger picture. There are many things that will not go our way. God has taught us that from the very begining, since we ate from the tree of knowledge. By praying and getting closer to God, is not to worry about dying and going to be with him. Our purpose does not end here on earth. By you not believing in God, and in fact being angry about the whole thing, does not do a single bit of good. Instead God needs people like you to help sort things out, instead of making them more confusing. But you are a long way off. As time goes by, things will become clearer to you, and answer will present themselves. I don't think you are in any kind of position to judge God's priorities, as you do not know them fully. The situation you are judging is your own personal priority. Just becasue you feel its bad that people are dying, they may actually be happier now going home to the father. People in Africa could also use your prayers. Proceed.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
riVeRrat
Go ahead, solve E=MC^2 and 2+2 in the same amount of time. E=MC*2 means Energy and Mass are equivalent 2+2=4 Not that hard.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3485 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Since you said "done to you" I'm assuming you mean an oath of revenge of sorts. If that is what you are asking, then no I don't and haven't. Revenge serves no purpose and is a waste of energy. It causes you to lose your inner peace. If you are speaking of a positive oath, such as because I suffered this I will do such and such to prevent others from suffering the same. I don't and haven't done that either. I do make a mental note and watch for opportunities that might serve the purpose. My path in life tends to be flexible which allows me to help or learn from those in close proximity. Large scale actions are not my strength. I stick with my talents. Hopefully that answers your question. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So, one took longer to type out than the other.
Point made. I think the actual numbers require a little more than what you put. We are bound by time and distance (same thing). That should be obvious.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
riVeRrat
I think the actual numbers require a little more than what you put. Nope. You just set C equal to 1 and the equation is E=M. Energy and Mass are different sides of the same coin.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Thats awesome!
Can you clear something up for me then, you said
Since I stopped praying and no longer trust in the ambiguities of religion, my fortune hasn't changed. Actually my husband and I are happier.
Haven't you made an oath against churches and religion?Do you still believe in God? Jesus? How do you communicate with God if you still do? I am not judging your decsion, just asking politly for an explanation.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The numbers are longer in proving it.
2+2=4 is a proven statement, E=M is not without the numbers. You know what I'm talking about, don't be silly.The Lunar eclipse was awesome.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
sidelined writes: Nope. You just set C equal to 1 and the equation is E=M. Energy and Mass are different sides of the same coin. c is a constant. You can't set it to 1, but you can choose your units so that it is 1. Choosing such units does not reduce Einstein's famous equation to E=M, because without c2 in the equation the units don't come out right. Mass/energy equivalency does not mean that energy and mass are the same thing, because they aren't. It only means that a given mass possesses an inherent and equivalent nuclear energy, regardless of which mass you're talking about. Once the mass is known, the amount of inherent nuclear energy is known, since c, the speeed of light, is a constant. That's why they use the term equivalent, because no other variables beyond the amount of mass are involved. You couldn't make the same equivalency claim about, say, force and acceleration, because there is another variable involved, mass (F=ma). --Percy
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Percy
c is a constant. You can't set it to 1, but you can choose your units so that it is 1. Thanks for the correction your are correct. I would like to discuss this further since there is something I need to clear up on this and I will debate you later as I must rush off to work today. Later.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I'll go you one further Sidelined and raise you that everything is a different side of the same coin.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3485 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:No. Maybe I'm looking at an oath differently, but as I understand "oath" it is a promise of what I will do in the future, whether immediate or distant, concerning the specified object. I have stopped praying and as of now I don't put my trust in the rituals of religion. They serve no purpose in my life at this time. I have no idea how my future will play out or where my journey will take me. When family or friends invite us to religious functions, we usually go. I still discuss the Bible with family and friends within their comfort zone.
quote:I do not believe in a God or a Devil as presented by mankind/religion. Whether a supreme being exists/existed or not, I don't know. I do not believe that Jesus is/was a deity.
quote:This may be a hard one to explain. Although I no longer do the prayers of thanks or request, I do meditate so to speak. It all depends on what I'm trying to work through or understand. I've never really put this in words before, so hopefully it makes sense. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I find it sad. But I am not capable of understand of how you got to that point, I only know from my perspective, which may or may not be wrong.
I try to keep an open mind about things. An oath is like, when you break up with a guy, and you forgive him, but then you say to yourself, "I will never let a guy do that same thing to me again". In a sense you haven't really forgiven him. you have been altered from the way you were born by something that somebody did to you, not what you did to yourself. To me, it's how the Devil operates. These are hooks that the devil puts in you. I am still learning about it. I think in Feburary my church is having a conference on it, called restoring the foundations. If you had to sum up the reason why you left behind religion, what would it be. Thanks for replying.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4705 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
you have been altered from the way you were born by something that somebody did to you, not what you did to yourself. To me, it's how the Devil operates. These are hooks that the devil puts in you. Everyone has been altered from the way they were born otherwise everyone would remain tiny infants incapable of speech, writing, etc. People, events, the environment have been doing things to us all our lives. You can metaphorically say that the things your church approves of are from God, and the things they disapprove of are hooks the devil puts into people. But you have been altered by your excounters with religious persons and books. You were not born speaking Hebrew and reading the Bible, after all, someone persuaded you to accept these old belief systems. This is not science, not biology, not psychology but imaginative fantasy. The brain works quite nicely in this mode as human brains have operated with these sorts of beliefs for thousands of years. Many churches seem to consist of groups of people clinging to the comforting old magical thinking and believing that the world it describes exists. Magical thinking they approve of comes from their idea of the deity. Magical thinking they disapprove of comes from their idea of a devil or demons. But it's these slogans like "you have been altered...etc" that are not even examined for a moment. We are altered continuously, we change continuously. Just observe yourself rather than repeat the slogans your church pumps out. Albert Ellis does a good job of explaining cognitive psychology which is a very good introduction to how the brain construes experience and responses through beliefs and self talk. lfen
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