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compmage
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Message 258 of 591 (130076)
08-03-2004 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by NOTHINGNESS
08-03-2004 1:23 AM


Re: Back to business
NOTHINGNESS writes:
Is nothingness a reality? Does nothingness have a beginning, an ending? What created nothingness?
Nothing (nothingness) is, by definition, the absence of all things, including existance. As such these questions are without meaning.

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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compmage
Member (Idle past 5183 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
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Message 278 of 591 (130753)
08-05-2004 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by coffee_addict
08-03-2004 6:24 PM


Re: Back to business
Always. By the time that I sign on that is all that you have left me.

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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compmage
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Message 279 of 591 (130754)
08-05-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by NOTHINGNESS
08-03-2004 10:43 PM


Re: Back to business
NOTHINGNESS writes:
However, if nothingness does not exists. I want to know what caused the eternal nothingness to spring forth the big bang?
Well, if nothingness doesn't exist, then 'eternal nothingness' (whatever that is) also doesn't exist.
NOTHINGNESS writes:
Something must have caused it. Nothingness which does not exist, could not have caused anything to exist.
Who says it has to be caused? Even if it were, where did that something come from? God? Well if God exists then, by your argument, something must have caused God as well. What was that?
This really belongs in a Cosmology thread and not here. If you really want to discuss this open a new topic.

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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compmage
Member (Idle past 5183 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 304 of 591 (131399)
08-07-2004 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by NOTHINGNESS
08-06-2004 3:54 PM


Re: Who created God?
NOTHINGNESS writes:
People always ask this question, but they do not realize that they are basically doing the same thing , which is -believing that an uncaused nothingness, created something.
For something to be a cause it must exist, therefore 'nothingness' can not be the cause of the universe. I am not claim that nothing (object) caused the universe. You are claiming that everything that exists requires a cause. Therefore, if God exists then he also requires a cause. What or who caused God?
NOTHINGNESS writes:
What is the difference between believing in an uncaused 'designer', creating something. And what you believe-an uncaused nothingness, creating something? Same principle.
I have never claim that 'nothingess' caused the universe. Leave the strawmen be.
NOTHINGNESS writes:
The Big Bang created -time-and space.
The BB is an event and as such required spacetime in which to occur. The BB did not create spacetime, at most the BB was the first event and occured in the very first instant of time.
NOTHINGNESS writes:
Since time has a beginning, and space(universe) has a beginning, then something caused it.
I do not claim that all things which exist require a cause. You do. Who or what caused God?
NOTHINGNESS writes:
... but I also have the right to believe that the 'uncaused designer' created it. Same results, different initiators.
You have the right to believe whatever you want. I don't however believe that 'nothingness' caused the BB.

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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