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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Boy, I am sorry I missed this one.
I didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this was addressed or not. By definition having faith is believing in something for which there is no proof. So if you believe in evolution, you have faith in it, period. Thats fine. If you center your life beliefs around that thought, then it becomes your religion. No need for proof. Only a good scientist would agree with me.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You cannot prove your brakes work, until you actually step on them.
Because you believe they work doen't mean that sometimes, people actually atep on them and they don't work and you crash. So its faith.Bad analagy Main Entry: 1faithPronunciation: 'fAth Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/ Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Then people have changes the meaning of the word faith.
Either way it's not proven yet. So there is an element of faith. Like so many other scientific things, it could very well change. Kepping that in mind is the important thing. Basing your life belief's around evolution is wrong IMO. Or using evolution to disprove God is wrong. We have established that on this forum already.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Do you believe there is an element of faith to accept that matter is made of atoms, that germs cause disease, and that the sun is the center of our solar system? Yes or no?
Yes, it is not proven, so it is faith.2+2=4, that is proven, and it is not faith anymore. The Sun is indeed yellow in color, so it is proven, not faith. The sun does not exactly sit in the exact center of our solar system, yet for years they believed it did, so they had faith in it. I don't care how much evidence there is, the words theory and faith go hand in hand. If you belive in it, you are putting your faith in it.If you believe it is an unproven theory, then you are not putting your faith in it. Its pretty simple.
Well, sure it's wrong. Good thing that's not what scientists do, nor what the theory claims.
If that were only true.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I never said they were the same kind of faith. You assumed that though.
I completely understand the difference, thats why I clarified the point of people who put there life values around a theory, are not doing the right thing. Faith is finding God. Once you find him, it is no longer faith in believing he is there. You have faith that he will do the things he promises.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So if you believe in evolution, you have faith in it, period. Thats fine. If you center your life beliefs around that thought, then it becomes your religion. No need for proof.
Thats what I originally said. It is evolutionists like you that take it all out of proportion.Whats so hard to to understnad about what I said. Some people belive in evolution and God.Some people belive in evolution and evolution. Some people believe in God, and understnad that evolution ispossible, but its just a theory. Some people belive in God and thats it. If you believe in evolution and evolution, then you need no proof, to answer the original question that started this thread.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So, do you believe that your faith in God is the same as my faith that germs cause disease?
Does your faith run your life. Are your life beliefs center around this faith?
Do you belive that electrons exist?
I believe it is possible. I have never seen one, so I should not say if they actually exist or not.
Do you constantly test God, trying to figure out all the ways you might be wrong about God? Do you conduct carefully designed experiments to test if your prayers really are coming true or if you are just engaging in confirmation bias? If the resuts from these tests were to come back against the notion that your prayers were being ansered at a rate greater than chance would predict, would you abandon the idea that God was answering your prayers?
In the begining yes, not anymore. Now its up to me. God already showed me that he is there. He keeps showing me he is there, but I no longer need this proof to believe in him. So in a sense it is just like the faith you have. Except mine doesn't change with every new theory.
There is MORE THAN ONE DEFINITION OF FAITH, RRat.
Yes and no.
It is not a faith in things unseen and for which there is no evidence for
Who says there is no evidence for God.Anyone who thinks this is sadly mistaken. I will not get into that, its been gone through alread, but basically Jesus made us a promise, and he kept it. Read about it in Acts. There are many mor day to day proofs for me.
ALL THEORIES IN SCIENCE ARE UNPROVEN
This we agree on.
It is true.
It is not rue because you say so.I have seen it already. I worked in a building full of people like this.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Because you believe in evolution by faith does not mean its your religion.
If you base all your beliefs in life on evolution, then it is your religious faith, no need for proof. To answer the original question. Its funny how evolutionists always get so defensive when the posssiblity of this being true is mentioned.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Bacterial flagellum.
I still would base my entire belief system on evolution.Nor would I believe the Jews or the Catholic church. Both religions run by men, not God. Creationism is a science, not a very good one, but it is a science.WE have a lot to learn still. 150 years of evolution is nothing.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I assumed that because you are claiming that a faith in science is the same as faith in God. Are you now claiming that these two kinds of faith are different? If so, wouldn't it be fair to say that science accepts theories differently than people accepting God?
No. Not if you use science to not believe in God.
No, faith is believing that you have found God.
Have you found God? If not how could you possibly say that?
Can you show me the experiments I can run that produce objective data that supports the existence of God? If not, then why are you comparing scientific theories and religion?
Yes I can.God will light you up like a light bulb lol. This is said in a good way.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Thats your opinion, not the truth.
When you let those beliefs run your life, and not seek for God, then its your religion too. Theres tons of evidence of God, every living thing is evidence that he exists. Its all in the way you look at things.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Creationism CAN NOT be science because you begin with a conclusion, that the world was created, that life was created and that it was done as described in one or the other of the Genesis creation stories.
Unfortunatly thats what evolution is for some people.People now a days start with evolution which is the conclusion, and then seek to prove it. So whats the difference Jar?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"So, do you believe that your faith in God is the same as my faith that germs cause disease?"
Sometimes you can take antibiotics and they wont work for you. So you hope and have faith that they will.Sometimes they give you stronger antibiotics, because the first ones didn't work. When they don't work, then you turn to God for his help. All science leads to God, yes its the same faith. As far as the sun goes, don't start asking me questions about the sun, because for all you know the earth could very well be the center of the universe.My point was that just when science thinks its one way, they find another way. Hardly a way to live your life.
Please describe the carefully designed experiments you used to test your hypothesis.
Why should I do that?Why should I tell you what you already know? So you can mock me and tell me how wrong I am? Your answers lie within side your self. I can't give you those experiments, you need to make up your own. Start with the Bible.
An unchangeing faith, and a faith that changes when new evidence comes in are completely different kinds of faith, wouldn't you say?
No.
I've never seen any. Show me some.
First evidence for you. I'm in here to tell you that Jesus Loves you, and so do I. What you do with that is up to you.
Please show me any scientific paper which concludes that there is no God.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Like I said before, I worked in a building full of them.
Its called a hospital. I know becaused I asked, and it was confessed to me. No need to prove it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You've got to be kidding me. Tell me that when a geologist digs up a dinosaur bone that he says to himself "what does this mean" or does he say " how does the help explain evolution"
All science does these days is try to prove evolution. Why else would they keep doing experiments like the petri dish full of bacteria. That wasn't found by chance. That was done with a pre-conceived notion that evolution is the answer. Genesis was a dream vision, which by all means could very close to the truth. I am not here to dispute that. There are many scientists in the world who despise religion and God. Plus basically man in general wants to be in charge of his own destiny. They wish to explain things on their own, so that they can feel in charge of things and say look what I figured out. With all this you can get false information.
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