However, even in the case of the parent that trains their child, the parent is usually never too far away.
no, but we're operating on a vastly different scale than god. a moment away for him could be eons to us.
Yes, but we never totally do things on our own. To some extent we are always dependent on God -- even if some are more mature in their faith than others.
i can't really say this in a way the won't insult half the board. so if it pisses you off, just pretend this doesn't include you. but i think it's mostly in peoples' heads.
But isn't God, at least from the Judeo-Christian perspective, still with us by the Holy Spirit?
It seems to me that he promised that he would never leave us or forsake us.
i sure haven't seen him do anything terribly involved in last little while. he hasn't left us, really. he's just watching for a while, holding back.
The problem with is it, in my opinion, is that the child can still "remember" their direct experience with their parent.
and so can we, as a species, i think. in books like the bible. but i'm talking about a huge difference in scale. i'm not comparing individuals to god, but the whole collected species. this would be like asking if the child's cells have memory direct interaction with the parent. on the cellular level, most of the child is really incapable of understanding what the parent is. even to a concious child as a whole, they might not totally understand in all of the intricacies of how they got to be there. we're the cells in this analogy.
the whole point of this discusion is whether God is determined to allow no proof or evidence of his existence or not.
and i think, as we perceive things, he is. but it's a byproducts of his temporary non-envolvement.
The question of whether the parent is determined to allow no proof or evidence of their existence isn't addressed by this analogy -- because the child knows as a memorable fact that their parents were the ones who taught them.
well, interaction with deity seems to be a bit of a collective recollection of our species, doesn't it? what race or culture has never had some kind of supernatural element in their religion?
i dunno. it was just a thought, and an analogy to explain what the way i see it. it might not line up perfectly.
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