To atheists: Why do you help me?

Following my attacks to Harun Yahya, some Muslims have tried to stop me by implying that evolution always lead to atheism. One even asked me this:So, if you are a good Muslim, you would not spread evolution, as this is the core of their anti-religious disbelief system.

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Can you think of a person who believe in God firmly, yet at the same time spreading a thought that undermine belief in God with the help of disbelievers in God? Do you think it is possible for agnostics and atheists to come to you voluntarily and sincerely to help you understand and, thus, strenghthen your belief in God, or help in spreading the truth about God which is repugnant to them? Do you think they rush toward you because they think you are spreading the truth of evolution which will make people know more about evolution and, thus, believe more in God? If you do not want to answer these question, or if you have no answers to these, you have to ask them these questions. You have to pose these question to those agnostics and atheists who are helping you if you really sincere in your cause. If you do your activities for the sake of Allah, you have to ask these questions to them.He/she asked it, so I present the questions for you to answer. I also invite the non-atheists to comment.

And some of my exchange with him:
http://liquid2k.com/traduza/hai.htmThe first part is 'hai''s second reply to my e-mail, and at the bottom you will find my third reply.Please, I need your sincere answers.
From a concerned regular.

Thank you all. Although I have never met any of you in person you guys are currently the only help I can get. Plus the great help from Allah by showing me EvC (indirectly, of course). I will comment one on one.John:

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Your friends have got you here, IMOH. Evolution does undermine the rationality of belief in God. Large parts of science do that in fact. I know some people here disagree. Also, remember that I am talking from a perspective of christianity vs. science. I am not entirely sure how Islam treats such things. In particular, Christianity's big scientific stumbling block is the OT. Accept it literally, the way it was meant to be taken, and you bumb heads with science. I know that Islam accepts the OT as scripture but I am not sure how it fits into the grand scheme of things.

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You may have noticed in my unfortunate forays into the Bible forums that Islam accepts the Torah (not the whole OT) and Gospels (not the whole NT) as holy scripture, but the Jews and Christians were not careful with the original texts, thereby both lost their credibilities.

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To help you understand? Yes. Strengthen your belief in God? This isn't really on my mind when we talk science. And finally, the truth about God isn't repugnant to me. Its the lies parading as truth that get my goat.

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No problem with that. I am not here to actively proselytizing Islam either. Passively, maybe. But I won't use lies.

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Nope. I help, or try, because I believe the best answer is evolution. It has nothing to do with God.

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Thanks. You're always enjoyable here.

Mammuthus,
Although 'hai' uses English his e-mail hints that he's (my suspicion that 'hai' is a male) his words and other e-mails strongly remind me of Catur Sriherwanto, the translator of 'Evolution Deceit' into Indonesian and a scientist working for the Indonesian Dept. of Agriculture improving (evolving) teak for plantations. As I have told you, atheism is considered evil in Indonesia; so I suppose if 'hai' uses the argumentum ad atheism to stop me tearing Harun Yahya to bits, he is trying to appeal to the all-Indonesian fear of being atheist in me. He pointed out that Dawkins the arch-evolutionist is also hostile to religion, and Darwin could not keep even a deistic faith after discovering the principles of evolution.

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M: This sentence makes no sense. The goal of science is not to "believe more in god". You should suggest they first figure out what science is before they rush off with these bizarre conspiracy theories.

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Actually in the Muslim world there is a conviction that Allah had revealed His Word in the Qur'an and in nature also. The Qur'an is written for the believing, while His word in nature is for all humans to see and examine. As I see it you've been reading His words in old mammoth DNA . Our religious leaders encourage young Muslims to think that being a scientist is a respectable profession (however, this appeal never work and 'the Muslim scientist' remains a rare species). So in this context I can say that Muslims believe that studying nature can lead to strangthening the belief in God. However, 'hai' seem to force me into thinking that evolution and theism can never be reconciled. Now I have wild thoughts about Allah planting His signs in nature to force scientists to believe that he does not exist... at least that is what I think of the effects of Harun Yahya and 'hai' to me.

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Andya, you seem to be having lots of battles outside the EvC forums.

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Maybe. If you guys battle local creationists then my battle is international (I'm in Jakarta, those guys in Turkey). Can I get a special status or anything? [just kidding]

Quetzal,Among the guys here (I couldn't even call you 'atheists' for my mind had been filled with propaganda that made the word too loaded with pejorative meanings--but you are among the best people I found so far, certainly better than some fundamnetalist Christians) you have always been the first to answer me, and you even offered your help to my brother Delshad; therefore I am glad that you went the trouble serving Harun Yahya for that anthropologist's lunch over at IIDB. I believe that somehow Allah send you as my help (although I think you don't). THANK YOU.About my help, my motive for asking is to get unbiased peer-review. I tried to get help from real Muslim scientists but not many are biologists, and among them not many are particluarly interested in the evolution/creation debate. My skills are limited and I need professional assessment on my rebuttals. So I turn to EvC.About the relation of science and God for Muslims, see response to Mammuthus. Personally I believe that Allah creates through evolution. Apparently the guys defending Harun Yahya disagrees and they want me to go to heaven their way... fundamnetalists. You respect my belief and that is why I don't have problems here. As long as good science is involved, it does not matter if I am talking to Christians, Jews, atheists, or Muslims. They all read the same signs of Allah in nature, so there cannot be a major contradiction among them.Anyway, since Harun Yahya co. is also receiving help from non-Muslims (ICR, DI, etc.) I will not be hesitant to do the same.Thanks a lot Quetzal.

Anyway, tomorrow is the start of Ramadhan, the fasting month. We Muslims will refrain from eating, drinking, and having sexual intercourse from sunrise to sunset for a month. A local custom here among Muslims is that we seek forgiveness from our acquaintances the last day before Ramadhan. Allah will forgive our offenses to Him if we observe the fasting month, but forgiveness from our sins to other people can only be obtained from those people. Therefore, if I had done anything that offended anybody in EvC: Percy, Moose, Quetzal, John, Mammuthus, TB, Peter, SLPx, P.Borger, Schraf, Gene90, Mark24, Nos482, Delshad, Budikka, Fred Williams, and others I cannot remember right now (sorry!), I ask you for forgiveness.Peace to all of you!