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bluegenes
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Message 67 of 85 (497050)
02-01-2009 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by John 10:10
01-29-2009 10:58 PM


Thanks to monkeys!
John 10:10 writes:
The problem that we Creationists will always have with the "belief system of evolution" is that you believe life evolved without a Creator, and we do not. You say it's proven science, and we most emphatically say it's not! I believe in the science that studies the disease of polio, and then develops a cure, saving countless millions from this dredful disease.
Biologists will tell you that it is evolutionary theory that underpins all biology, and fortunately, it effects their way of thinking. In order to develop both the first injected and the first oral polio vaccinations, it was necessary to use organisms related to those on whom the vaccination would be used in ways that would be difficult or impossible ethically to involve humans. But, for creationists, only humans are related to humans.
Fortunately, the biologists were evolutionists, so they knew where to look. So, John, when you thank those biologists for their science that you say you believe in, you could also thank our simian cousins for the role that they played. And you could reflect that countless lives were saved not only because we have close relatives in the wild, but because modern biologists, thanks to the work of people like Darwin, are well aware of that fact.
Now, you try and think up some practical value in teaching so called "creationist science" in schools.
There are not only the "principles of world view", as this thread's title would have it, but there are the vastly different practicalities of different world views.

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bluegenes
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Message 71 of 85 (497063)
02-01-2009 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Dr Jack
02-01-2009 10:36 AM


Re: Thanks to monkeys!
Mr Jack writes:
Given that Linnaeus grouped monkeys and apes most closely to Humans some hundred years before Darwin penned The Origin of Species, and apparently believed in the immutability of the species he was identifying, can it really be said that Evolution is required to recognise similarity?
I thought someone might say something like that. However, if you look at my post, I said that organisms that were related to those who would receive the vaccines were required, not organisms that were "similar". That, however, you could quite reasonably point out, is a post-Darwin view, with the knowledge that "similarity" and "relatedness" are essentially the same things.
Considering the thread "world view" title, the interesting thing is why Linnaeus didn't come to the obvious conclusions that we now see from his work. If he had not come from a culture with a creationist world view, wouldn't the obvious have occurred to him?
You've got a good point, but I still hold that it would be much more likely for post-Darwin researchers to think of using monkeys than it would have been before.

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bluegenes
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Message 84 of 85 (497185)
02-02-2009 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by John 10:10
02-01-2009 9:34 PM


Re: Thanks to monkeys!
John 10:10 writes:
bluegenes writes:
Biologists will tell you that it is evolutionary theory that underpins all biology, and fortunately, it effects their way of thinking.
Hogwash!!!
Really?
quote:
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution" -
Theodosius Dobzhansky
Just one example.
The word "biology" was actually invented by the man who presented the first really coherent theory of evolution, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck.
In the rest of your post, you mentioned the word "God" nine times, although I didn't mention it in the post you were replying to. But I think that this thing called God and the meaning of life are on topic, so, as I'm in an Ignostic mood, I'll leave you to discuss them with others.

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