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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 83 (91986)
03-12-2004 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Stephen ben Yeshua
03-12-2004 12:53 AM


It's a better theory because it takes what is good from evolution (common descent, time) and merges it with what is good from creation (Jehovah and others have willfully designed the outcomes in many, perhaps most cases, and ought to be credited for their creativity).
It's an interesting theory, but by what mechanism does God manipulate the genome? Artifical selection? Manipulation on environment? Magic? I'm just curious.

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crashfrog
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Message 26 of 83 (92022)
03-12-2004 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Stephen ben Yeshua
03-12-2004 2:43 AM


Words have meaning and power, independent of your meaning or understanding.
This is obviously false. The meaning of words is defined entirely by the community of speakers using them. That's why dictionaries go out of date and why languages change over time.
If words have no inherent meaning, as they obviously do not, I don't see how they could have the power you ascribe to them. You've got somefunny ideas but don't you think you should have bounced them off a linguist first?

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crashfrog
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Message 28 of 83 (92028)
03-12-2004 3:25 AM
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03-12-2004 3:20 AM


I am familiar with the hypothesis that you assert, but don't find it compelling, or useful.
Oh, I imagine you don't. It is, nonetheless, accurate.
Note too the taxonomic rule, that the earliest name given to something is the one we are to use. All words, in a sense, are the name given to some object, concept, thing, according to the original definition.
Has that ever been followed? I doubt it. Go to the cities of Italy and observe how the local name is much, much different than the name you're familiar with. I.e. Florence/Firenze.
The very existence of more than one language proves you wrong, and proves that "hypothesis" to be fact.
There are symbols, and there are referents. But referents themselves can only be decribed in words. All words reduce only to words. There's just no way to define a word except as other words.

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crashfrog
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Message 30 of 83 (92039)
03-12-2004 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Navy10E
03-12-2004 5:37 AM


While that may be true reference this site, is that a scientific conclusion overall?
Well, I for one used to be a young-earth creationist. Now I'm an evolutionist. So there's at least one person for whom that is true.
PS: I'm kinda' leaning towards an "all of the above" on this one.
And that's fine. While I don't personally choose to believe in any gods, I didn't make that choice because of evolution. Evolution is perfectly consistent with the concept of a creator God.
What is isn't consistent with, unfortunately for some, is a literal reading of the Bible. But then, you don't have to believe in a literal Bible in order to believe in God, now do you?
Good luck with whatever you believe.

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crashfrog
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Message 50 of 83 (92344)
03-14-2004 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Itachi Uchiha
03-13-2004 11:28 PM


If empirical evidence supported any of the theories then it would become a law and not a theory.
Glad to know that, as a 16-year-old kid, you feel yourself in a position of sufficient authority to dictate terms of nomenclature to the entire scientific community.
Who died and left you Samuel Johnson?

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crashfrog
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Message 53 of 83 (92382)
03-14-2004 7:23 AM
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03-14-2004 4:49 AM


Message moved to more appropriate forum.
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crashfrog
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Message 69 of 83 (92511)
03-14-2004 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Itachi Uchiha
03-14-2004 1:51 PM


For your information I turn 21 on march 31.
That's my bad. I had you confused with another poster. I apologize.
Funny stuff.
I'm a funny man. Since Navy has seen fit to open an entire thread about my funny retort (though I wonder how a three-line remark can be considered a "tirade"), maybe you'd like to defend your statement over there? (The "Frog Tirade" thread.) Since over here you still haven't explained where you're getting your definitions of "theory" and "law", definitions that appear at odds with how they're actually used. For instance I assume you'll agree that the Germ Theory of Disease and the Kinetic Theory of Gases are more than supported by empirical evidence, right? Yet they remain theories, right?
{Note from Adminnemooseus: The "Frog Tirade" topic was a response, by Navy10E, to a reprimand of him by me. I think the "Frog Tirade" is intended to refer to what Navy10E said about Crashfrog, and not to what Crashfrog said. Anyhow, the link's there, if anyone wants to check the thing out.}
{Note from me: Oh. Yeah, that makes sense, doesn't it...}
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