Has anyone in this forum changed evo/creo sides?

I commend you all on having incredible vocabularies. A lot of IQ bouncing around in here. I do have a question though. It seemed as though you all almost blindly accepted that more people shift from the Creationist Model to the Evolutionist Model. While that may be true reference this site, is that a scientific conclusion overall? I know in the "real world" I have personally convinced several undecided and Evolutionists to "come around" and change stances to the Creation Model. Either I'm A: lucky, B: good at putting together an argument or C: Very good looking. Just wanted to add my own piece of non-sense to the mayhem...Joe
PS: I'm kinda' leaning towards an "all of the above" on this one.

Look guys, very eloquant, well written ways of saying blah blah blah. Again, aside from personal experience, you have any evidence to back you up? This seems to be the very kind of thing you accuse Creationists of. (Makes claims without evidence).Joe[This message has been edited by Navy10E, 03-12-2004]

Your testimonial means as much as the guy who says "God told me he made everything, He touched my mind". Till you can prove what you are saying, don't worry about convincing me on this point.
I really don't care about your interpretation of a few randomly collected pieces of informations.[This message has been edited by Navy10E, 03-12-2004]

As always, great moose, we will take heed of your warning and I promise to do my best to stay on topic.
Jazz raised a good point when he said;"[I] believe that god would of have let us now that he used millions of years to create the universe."Now this makes sense to me. Why would God need to lie to us. I mean, taking a couple million years can't be much harder to comprehend the speaking it into being. Couple that with this thought: If part of the Bible is false, then the whole thing is nothing but an elaborate poetry/philosophy/history book. That is why I believe that this debate is so importent. If I'm wrong, then my faith is founded on worthless crap. If I'm right...you all are in serious spritual trouble. I will also admit, I'm one of those people who likes to sharpen his wits by fighting with sharper wits. The Evolutionists here are (mostly) very intelligent people. I'm kinda average...but I don't mind, because I have faith that the truth I believe will win at the end of the day. Ok, I think my openheartedness has come to an end for now, good day.Joe[This message has been edited by Navy10E, 03-13-2004]

Here is why I havn't been "converted".When God created Adam, Adam could speak. Did God then create him as a speaking infant? Probably not. Due to the discussions held, and the immediate need for a woman (boy, some things never change), I would deduce his apparent age to be that of a young man, even if he was truely less then a day old. Adam and then Eve were able to to eat off of trees less then a week old. Where am I going with this? Apparent age...someone will have to start a thread on it...to discuss it in full, but God created things with apparent age, even if the real age were less. So much of the "evidence" that "proves" evolution/big bang/Godless universe...could quite easily be explained by that.
In fact, I'm going to start a thread on this, so I don't muddle this thread up anymore.

I'm getting to like this kid...

Mr Crunched Toad,Now THAT is screwed up. Attack his arguements, not his age. He has not attacked you in any way that I have seen (I might have missed something) and you have really lowered the bar on this one. I'm 19, and you said I was intelligent and you looked forward to future conversations with me. That's only a three year difference. You may have changed your mind about me, (not that I would care one way or another)but for for the love of arguing, fight with his ideas, not how long ago his parents decided to have sex!!! If you can't control yourself, yell at the monitor.I would hope that as a (supposed) adult you would appolgize to the kid for your stupid and pathetic attack.
And a final note, the best debating I've seen from our side has come for a 16 and 19 yr old. I would assume that the collective numbers of older, supposedly wiser, and definitly more experienced people should be able to totally crush us in debate. I'm still waiting. And apparently, this is the best you can come up with. Maybe someday you can hope to be as mature and respectful of those you debate as this guy whom you so patheticly assailed. You messed up, elistist, condescending, sneering, sad, pathetic excuse for an adult. Maybe someday, you can be cool like us kids.Slightly frustrated:
Joe