The Christmas star?? What, you think there really was a Christmas star of any kind??? Show us what it was, and we may see how superior your ideas are here, and how good a grip you have.
Wow...just wow.
I think I've done a pretty good job of following the "simple" logic displayed on this thread so far, but this is too much.
Denying the object of the whole thread (you did say "of any kind") just to continue on with your own tortured thought processes is just way beyond the pale.
I am all for psychotropic drugs when used responsibly, but, seriously, when you can't even follow your own ideas (much less expect anyone else to...props to Ringo and Vacate btw) it may just be the time to come down and join the real world again.
Thousands of years earlier in a different universe. So?? How does that relate to the times of Christ???
Because YOU said that heaven was only 2-3000 feet above ground (in a physically attainable state for the builders of the tower) and that heaven was only moved by Jesus AFTER he was risen (and was then, and only then, on a spiritual plane).
Hey, despite your hocus pocus, I am right in focus. The tower of Babel was in a different state universe, and thousands of years before this! You would need to connect the dots to have a point. Points are good. Work on that.
A different state universe? How does that affect units of measurements? Care to explain?
YOU said that heaven was at a certain height (2-3000 feet above the ground). YOU also said that Heaven was "moved" by Jesus when he was risen (which would be "thousands of years" after Babel). Now YOU have to explain how GOD IN HIS "SAPPHIRE UFO/THRONE" WAS VISIBLE AS A "STAR" TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FEET IN THE AIR (and invisible to everyone but the wise men...) BUT, HEAVEN, WHICH IS JUST 2-3000 FEET IN THE AIR, REMAINS INVISIBLE UNTIL JESUS DECIDES TO MOVE IT!
Oh and you proposed that some of the wise men came from
Message 160India and China but then claimed that the "STAR" was only high enough to be locally seen. How would anyone from India or China see a local (roundabout Israel) "star-sceptre" event?
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Besides, if I waved a magic wand over a star, and had it dance around, leading wise men to a street address, the world would know it. It would be recorded in ancient records. It wasn't. Therefore a localized event, and light in the sky best explains it
...you might wanna try to keep up with your own arguments
BTW - I am not shouting..just making sure you see the words and (hopefully) comprehend them.
Now, about your claim that the location of heaven changed..can you back it up?? See, I never really got into that aspect much, so 99% of your ideas seem to be gross misconceptions here.
Um...YOU claimed that the location of heaven changed in order to gain credibility for your Babel argument. Can you back it up?
There was, for example, a paradise below the earth, in my opinion. How else could Jesus go to paradise after He died??? He never rose to the heavens till afterwards
Care to back that up? And why in the world would the people in the story of Babel try to build a tower UP to heaven if heaven was BELOW THE EARTH? Are Paradise and Heaven two different places?? What is the difference between the two?
Whatever they may think, if they have the comprehension to read what I say, they would not suppose that the tower of Babel spiritual level was here in Jesus' day.
Like it was pointed out to you many times before, if heaven was purely a spiritual place then there would have been no threat posed by a physical tower built by humans. If the story was a spiritual allegory, another problem remains...namely, why would God deliberately stop in its tracks a communal effort among humans to build a "tower" to the divine realm of heaven which would provide them with peace and harmony. Why wouldn't God reward such a "Christian" concept?
Because he had a plan for his "son/himself?" He couldn't dare to part with his narcissistic plan to sacrifice himself (after riding in his spaceship for show) to help the people he created get over themselves and bow down to his superiority?
Instead God caused confusion and discord...WHY? So it would make his ultimate plan for "Peace" that much harder?? So it would be that much harder for the message of Jesus to carry to all the nations?? Maybe it's just me and my puny human mind, but "unconditional love" does not require tests or convoluted games. If it was "all part of the Plan" it seems like a confused, sadistic mess, to me.
So, have you any point left, that was not just demolished, on how the starship would have some problem with a spiritual level that disappeared millennia before do let us know.
Maybe you should let yourself know, because it was YOUR idea in the first damn place (minus the "spiritual level" because you suggested that Heaven was PHYSICALLY attainable with the Tower of Babel).
"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -
The Iron Heel by Jack London
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