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Author Topic:   Why omnipotent is a paradox.
Gzus
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Message 14 of 70 (41300)
05-25-2003 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Mike Holland
05-25-2003 8:55 AM


Thus by Technocore's logic
quote:
(1) A system cannot completly be described within the system itself.
you have logically deduced the need for a 'metasystem'.

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Gzus
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Message 30 of 70 (41912)
06-01-2003 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by TechnoCore
05-27-2003 8:46 AM


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One way to connect Gdel with omnipotent is through God's mind. Can any beeing perfectly understand itself with its own thought-process?
Using Gdel it can't. Since Gdel proved that to be able to prove every conceivable statement within a logical system, you must go outside that system. When you go outside that system, you are inside a larger system, in which you cannot prove every conceivable statement. And so it goes on. Forever.

Technocore has a point. Imagine trying to understand your own thought process while thinking. It's impossible, since in order to understand what you are thinking, you must think in order to do so, thus we can never understand our current chain of thought. Does this apply to 'God'?
This is assuming that God is a time based entity ofcourse which is not at all necessary. God could simply be 'knowledge' and that does not require any sort of 'cause and effect' consciousness. However, when consiidering 'omnipotence', the idea of a conscious god seems to come into play, though the nature of that consciousness is anyone's guess.

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Gzus
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Message 40 of 70 (42226)
06-06-2003 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by compmage
06-06-2003 7:04 AM


then you might ask, can god transcend logic?

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Gzus
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Message 64 of 70 (43305)
06-18-2003 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by John
06-10-2003 10:46 AM


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Why is it not logically possible? I can create-- well, assemble-- something I cannot lift. Why is it not possible for God to do so?
how about, is it possible for god to create a rock he cannot lift, and then lift it?

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