Why omnipotent is a paradox.

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Certainly it applies to any arithmetic in general, practical human use.

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Thank you. I've been trying to make this very point to Rhhain.------------------
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Amen, brother...------------------
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Where did I say mathematics was perfect?

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The tone of your posts across several threads strongly imply such a conclusion. I imagine that if you were to take a poll of those here, you'd find that this is the impression you leave-- to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the reader. If this is not your intent, you might consider the effectiveness of your communication.

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Or, perhaps, it may be that he is more concerned with people being accurate and not over-stating themselves.

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No, I don't think that is what he is doing, though he certainly thinks such is true. His frequent references to Presburger arithmetic are evidence of this. He should know that such arithmetic is useless for making calculations more complicated than that of which kinder-gardeners are capable. And valiantly refuses to address issue frontally.

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Do you think the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies to interpersonal relations?

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Oh, yes. Most certainly-- kindof a hyper-uncertainty principle really.

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Could you show how the universe is an axiomatic number system?

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The universe itself? Who knows? Our descriptions of it certainly are, or, if you prefer, our descriptions incorporate such systems. That is where the uncertainty comes in.------------------
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This is the same statement as "God creating a rock too heavy for himself to lift". Therefore it's not logical. Your proof, therefore, rests on a fallacy. Or so it seems to me.

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I don't see the fallacy, crash. ???------------------
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I assumed so. But I still don't see the fallacy. There is a contradiction between the two ideas that 1) God is omnipotent, and 2) God can create a rock too heavy for himself to lift. But what is the fallacy?------------------
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I wouldn't say that at all.

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Of course you wouldn't.

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What I mean? That's "imply." The way you take it? That's "infer."

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Wow. Your arguments have now devolved to the level of paraphrasing old movies. That convincing.

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Or perhaps you might consider being more careful. It wouldn't be the first time that many people are simply wrong.

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God, that is arrogant!!! No wonder you are so clueless about communication. If there is a problem, it ain't Rh's fault. And this from the guy who couldn't figure out the difference between 'quickly becoming' and 'is.' LOL..... Climb a few pegs down that pedastal.

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Oh really? And how does one determine Planck's constant in the example of a child by the cookie jar when he knows his mother is watching and when he doesn't?

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It was a joke. But thanks for yet another example of your communication acumen.

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Then what makes you think the Incompleteness Theorems apply?

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Do you read these posts? Do you pay attention? I did not say the universe was an axiomatic system. What I said was that our descriptions of it are axiomatic systems ( or based on such ), and that that is where the uncertainty comes in. Why do you think that cuttin out the POINT OF THE PARAGRAPH is good argumentation? Why do you think quoting me in such a way as to imply I am arguing something I obviously am not, is a respectable debate tactic? Why do you think that utterly missing the point helps your case?------------------
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This statement is not logically possible, because it's the same as creating a rock too heavy for god to lift, because "anyone" includes god.

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Why is it not logically possible? I can create-- well, assemble-- something I cannot lift. Why is it not possible for God to do so?The problem is with the 'omnipotent' part. An omnipotent God could do anything-- no limits, but that means he must be capable of doing odd things like creating rocks he can't lift AND he also must be capable of lifting anything ( or he would be omnipotent ).------------------
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