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Author Topic:   Is macroevolution a religion? Should we rename it evolutiontarianism?
PaulK
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Message 9 of 112 (89725)
03-02-2004 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by kendemyer
03-01-2004 9:07 PM


Re: what is PC?
I easily found the page in question, making use of talkorigins.org which has an extensive set of links to anti-evolution sites.
http://www.arn.org/..._correspondencewithsciencejournals.htm
Behe's article was rejected not because of a policy of rejecting anti-evolution articles but because of a policy of rejecting articles which criticised evolution on *non-scientific* grounds
As you no doubt know, our journal has supported and demonstrated a strong evolutionary position from the very beginning, and believes that evolutionary explanations of all structures and phenomena of life are possible and inevitable. Hence a position such as yours, which opposes this view on other than scientific grounds, cannot be appropriate for our pages.
Rejection by a journal is also not unusual - as Behe should know. Many papers are published by journals other than the one they were originally submitted to. And the editors explicitly encouraged Behe to seek publication elsewhere:
Although the editors feel that there has already been extensive response to your position from the academic community, we nevertheless encourage further informed discussion in appropriate forums. Our journal cannot provide that forum, but we trust that other opportunities may become available to you.
If Behe stopped after one submission then that is his choice - and reflects only on him.

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Message 23 of 112 (90446)
03-05-2004 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Chiroptera
03-04-2004 10:50 PM


Re: Stalin, a dedicated Darwinist?
Ken REALLY doesn't know what he is talking about.
In Stalin's time biologists were often persecuted by the government
The Lysenko affair is well known:
Trofim Lysenko - Wikipedia
But even before Lysenko achieved his full power Stalin was acting against biologists
Already, before Vavilov's arrest, the losses among Soviet biologists had been staggering. In 1936, Israel Agol, Max Levin, and Solomon Levit, all communists working in the field of biological theory, were publicly denounced as "enemies of the people" and arrested...
...
They were followed by a host of others. Many were arrested. Of these some were shot, while others simply died in prison. Others were witch-hunted, lost their jobs, and were forced into other areas of work. Institutes were closed down. Journals ceased to appear. Books were removed from library shelves. Texts were revised. Names became unmentionable.
http://www.comms.dcu.ie/sheehanh/lysenko.htm

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Message 41 of 112 (90611)
03-05-2004 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by kendemyer
03-05-2004 3:39 PM


Re: church of Johnson
When we subtract Johnson's bias and his woeful inability to distinguish between the methodological naturalism of science and the ontological naturalism of *SOME* scientists there is little of substance.
The observations in the field agree with what we need to explain the fossil record in terms of evolution Johnson somehow finds even the examples he knows of unimpressive - but never bothers to explain why.
Johnson's real objection is not that schools engage in indoctrination - it is that they do not. This is why the ID movement is so set on misrepresenting the facts in an attempt to remove evidence for evolution from American schools.

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Message 77 of 112 (91694)
03-11-2004 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by kendemyer
03-10-2004 11:07 PM


Re: the battle of the links
So Ken your argument is that anyone who beleives that abiogenesis happened cannot "run away from the issue" and that therefore abiogenesis is a part of macroevolution. That is a clear non-sequitur.
If you want to discuss abiogenesis you can start a seperate thread to do so. On this thread you should drop the illogical excuses and actually discuss matters.

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