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Silent H
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Message 28 of 130 (64606)
11-05-2003 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Wise
11-05-2003 4:58 PM


wise writes:
Don't know... I was divinely spared and sent back for some reason. Perhaps to inform atheists.
If you were clinically dead there should be a record of how long. If it was just a state troopers' assessment that you were dead, I would not be spreading this story around as if it were real.
But for sake of argument let us say that you experienced what you did during a period of clinical death (certainly no one is claiming you did not experience what you experienced).
The point Dan and Ned have made is that true personal experience does not objective experience make. This is why one has to take one's personal experience and then try to evaluate it in an impersonal way. What could have caused this? How does this relate to other people's experiences?
Dan has pointed out that NDE's can be achieved through other means. This is similar to the experiences of those who suffer from "alien abductions" being produced by mechanisms other than a reallife alien abduction.
First question, what do you say to those who say they have had a reallife "alien abduction" experience? And as a follow up, what do you say to that same person who has had both that and an NDE and come to the conclusion both are real but the tunnel was actually leading to another dimension and not the Xtian heaven?
Second question, you say you were divinely spared and sent back for some reason, maybe to inform athiests. What in your experience defined that it was the "divine" you were experiencing, and not a wonderful extradimensional transfer to some secular afterlife? After all, life could have additional properties we are currently unaware of which allows for movement beyond corporeal form after death.
Third, what made this divinity Xtian? The NDE is quite consistent with most other religions that have afterlives. There is at least one (Ramtha) which involves movement to other planes and in a way seems built around the NDE.
I am not going to scoff at your experience. I just think it would be wise to first of all find out if you were really dead or if it was just the word of some guy with no medical experience, and secondly to examine the experience by asking yourself the questions above.
Personally I find such experiences fascinating. I just don't believe in getting lost in the fascination and miss the details.
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holmes

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