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Brian
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Message 32 of 130 (64864)
11-07-2003 6:54 AM


Let me see,
We got 'Wise' who 'died' and his brain was starved of oxygen, that does explain rather a lot.
Don't know. The State Trooper said I should not be alive. I was divinely spared and sent back for some reason. Perhaps to inform atheists.
The problem with this 'Wise' is that if God was to send someone back to 'inform atheists' he would send someone back who has more than one working brain cell .
If you think that God is using you to inform anyone then you have more screws loose than I first thought.
You seem unable to grasp the FACT that your posts here are making the existence God out to be a very large joke. You are not representing God 'Wise', you are making God a laughing stock, hence your argument is flawed.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 41 of 130 (64898)
11-07-2003 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Wise
11-07-2003 8:19 AM


Hi,
I said PERHAPS God sent me back to inform atheists.
You don't see the point, if God has sent you back to do a job for Him then He knows your capabilities, therefore if God has sent you back it was with the sole purpose of making a mockery out of God.
In other words, God has not sent you anywhere.
Look at God's greatest prophet Moses. Moses was worried about being very poor at speaking, and was afraid that Pharaoh and the Israelite elders would not take him seriously. God said that He would put the words in Moses' mouth reassure Moses. Now 'Wise' if God has put words in your mouth then God is a tit.
I KNOW what I saw AND felt and ETERNITY IS REAL. I PROMISE.
Come on 'Wise' you know how the human mind can react to trauma. I suggest that your experience is nothing more than a self fulfilling prophecy, you saw, heard and felt exactly what you thought you would.
Did I see God? I felt him ALL around me and knew he was very close.
So did you see Him?
You can consider yourself informed.
I have been well informed before 'Wise'. But there is a difference, the Xians who have informed me before were intelligent, articulate and very polite people, they actually made me think about things seriously. You need to realise that your preaching is ludicrous, not a single person takes you seriously, can you not see that? You are simply reinforcing my belief, and other people's belief, that some theists are insane.
But, surely there is other experiences absent from drugs, like mine.
Yes, there are literally hundreds of thousands of these experiences, but this essentially makes your experience false.
Let me explain for you. People from all faiths have these experiences and guess what, they report that they see characters from their own faiths. How many Hindu's have died and claimed to have seen Krsna or Shiva?
The fact that people from many different faiths see, or feel, their particular god suggests to me that this is basically self fulfilling.
These people are as convinced as you are that what they saw and felt was real, so if it is real then your God is not the same God as is described in the Bible.
If you are claiming that these people are in error then it opens up the possibility that you are also in error.
'Wise', go do something useful with your life instead of living in this fairytale, go feed a tramp or something, your addiction to God is driving you insane.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 55 of 130 (64978)
11-07-2003 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Wise
11-07-2003 10:10 AM


Hi,
Sure he sent me somewhere. I am RIGHT HERE.
So He sent you back to make a tit out of God, seems strange to me.
NOPE. I SAW what I SAW and FELT what I FELT.
Yes, and Hindus and Sikhs and every other follower of any god in the celestial zoo SAW what they SAW and FELT what they FELT. You totally ignore this fact in your reply, probably because it kills your fantasy stone dead.
NEVER quite got that far but IT WAS CLOSE.
Oh, you mean a bit closer and you may have seen Krishna?
I am the MOST SANE person around
Well that is highly debatable, but you miss the point again.
IF God wanted to send anyone back to inform athiests of anything then He would make sure that His representative was capable of doing a good job. If that representative was not a very good speaker, a la Moses, then He would put the words in Moses' mouth. Also, if His representative was a mindless moron with an IQ of about 12, then He would also put the words in the moron's mouth. Therefore, since your posts are almost entirely filled with utter drivel and you seem incapable of adding 2 and 2 together, I think it is safe to assume that God isn't using you for anything.
That's not what I HEARD.
Well since you are very poorly educated about most things, I am not surprised that you haven't taken the time to research this at all. It is fairly common knowledge that people from all faiths have NDE's and that many different gods have been 'seen' and 'felt'.
I also know of a man whose wife was in a comba and when she came to said that "all she saw was darkness". They were BOTH unbelievers and it shook him up severely.
This is a great example of your short circuiting brain, do you ever actually think about what you post?
If they were both unbelievers, and she saw nothing but darkness then that supports their stance as non-believers!
What would have shook them up would have been if she saw the Jesus character or another god, then they would have 'proof' that they were wrong.
This just supports my view that during a NDE you see what you expect to see. As an unbeliever I would expect to see nothing but darkness, as a believer you would expect to 'see' or 'feel' god. You experienced your God and the women experienced exactly what she expected.
Look....I HAD an NDE.
No one is denying that you had a NDE, what is up for question is whether what you think you experienced during this was real or not. Something certainly must have happened to you, your behaviour at this forum certainly isn't that of a rational individual.
Now , if you cannot contribute
You mean other than ask very relevant questions! LOL You still haven't explained how all the NDE's who have experienced a different god from you are mistaken. Maybe you can contribute something?
then perhaps you can tell me how an NDE evolved.
Sure, no problem.
Once upon a time there was a wee boy called 'wise'. This wee boy had his life polluted every second of the day by xians telling him how wondereful god is and Jesus was a great saviour.
One day while 'wise' was at his school for special educational needs, the teacher showed the class a video about NDE's, 'wise' was intrigued by this and it was a big talking point for about ten minutes, which was 'wise's' upper limit of concentration.
A long time after that, and older 'wise' was wandering about and an idea jumped into his head. Stunned by this rare experience 'wise' staggered onto the street and into the path of a truck. Whilst splattered by the truck, 'wise' suddenly remembered the video from his special school, and suddenly 'wise's' thought of a NDE evolved into a fully fledged experience. 'Wise' has never been the same since, he still staggers a round mumbling meaningless nonsense, only now he adds a 'Jesus' here and there and has an addiction to posting pictures of God's sphincter on Internet forums.
Brian.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 65 of 130 (64999)
11-07-2003 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:54 PM


Thanks for ignoring the vast majority of my post LOL
I believe the Bible says that unbelievers will be exposed to "outer darkness".
The Bible talks about NDE's? LOL, Jesus 'wise' what is the name of the planet that you live on?
This would have been preleminary and FACTUAL.
WTF are you talking about here?
'wise' are you still on medication of some kind?
Brian

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 100 of 130 (65106)
11-08-2003 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Wise
11-07-2003 8:08 PM


Their's are FALSE. Mine was REAL.
Your proof that their visions were false is what exactly?
You really haven't got the hang of constructing an argument have you?
Based on this defect of yours, I conclude that God has not sent you back to inform atheists, if He did then you would be just a tad more convincing.
I think it is time you owned up to being an atheist having a carry on. It was funny for a while but it is getting boring now.
Brian.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 114 of 130 (65550)
11-10-2003 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Wise
11-09-2003 5:13 PM


Hi 'Wise'
You appear to be suffering from something.
Yes, it is called 'thinking' you should give it a go 'wise'.
Backslidden perhaps?
I think Stevie Wonder could see that I have backslidden.
Ideas of NDE'S haunting you?
Not at all, while I am not exactly looking forward to death, it is not a thing that I think about.
One difference between me and you 'wise', and there are many I should add, is that I live my life in reality, I don't waste the short time I have on this earth suffocating myself inside a fairytale tale.
Well, I have some bad news....yes...some very bad news.
George Bush has been re-elected?
Many NDE'S are NOT pleasant and involve a place called hell.
Well I will try not to play chicken with a Mack truck and I will be OK.
Does the idea of non-existence after death terrify you 'wise', is this why you cling desperately to these crazy ideas, or are you still pulling our legs.
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4990 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 120 of 130 (65596)
11-10-2003 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Loudmouth
11-10-2003 3:22 PM


LOL, don't put ideas into 'wise's' head.
Brian

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