Where do all the creationists go?

So, what you're saying is that you want to debate science without having to meet the standards of science?Why on Earth should anyone be expected to oblige you? If you want to debate ID like it's science, then you need to win that debate first. But you keep losing that debate, so you don't get to talk about ID like it's science. That's what it means to lose a debate. It means people are unwilling to accept your position as a legitimate basis to build other arguments on.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 02-16-2005 23:43 AM

And in order to assume that basis in arguments, you have to defend that basis in an argument, and win.That's how it works. If you attempt to defend a steady-state, eternal universe in arguments and fail, you don't get to simply assume it as a basis for other arguments. Sorry, but that's the price of losing. You're free at any time, I suppose, to discuss what it might be like in a hypothetical steady-state universe; but you need to make it clear that you're not talking about the universe we inhabit, because then the discussion becomes evidentiary and not hypothetical.Honestly if you wanted to speculate about what it might be like in a steady-state universe, I'm sure you could find a bunch of people to do that here. It would probably be interesting. But if you want to proceed from a basis that the universe we live in now is steady-state, then you need to win that argument first. You don't get to simply presume it as a basis for other arguments until you win.