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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
I am not allowed to say. This is a science forum. SCience is limited to the recent past and present observations. It can't go there. What are you talking about? This is nonsense. Science isn't limited to those things at all. I recommend you take the time to actually learn a lot more about science. (Hint: We can observe light that left it's destination millions of years ago every day.... Ever heard of red shift?)
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
How it changed is beyond science. But the normal in the future according to the bible is far different as well, for example. Now, it says we live in a temporary universe soon to pass away, with a new ones replacing them. A new universe with no decay, where we and most other things last forever in that new state, and different than present state. Science cannot confirm or deny this. It is far too limited, and MUST suffice itself to observe how things NOW work, and assume and predict they will always work the same, it is all we know. No science exists to back up the claim, of course, now, just assumption. This actually isn't true at all. Remember that we can observe events in the universe that occured millions and millions of years ago because the light from those events is just reaching us now. In fact you might want to check out the following article (really interesting stuff): http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2006/04/060429124748.htm
The JILA team's ability to make two molecular measurements at once enables scientists to apply mathematical calculations to probe the evolution over time of fundamental natural properties such as the fine structure constant, which is widely used in research to represent the strength of electromagnetic interactions. Another research group at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory plans to make similar frequency measurements soon of the same molecules produced in distant galaxies, which are so far from Earth that they represent a window into ancient history. By comparing precision values for the fine structure constant on Earth and in distant parts of the universe, scientists hope to determine whether this constant has changed over 10 billion years. Because the fine structure constant is used in so many fields of physics, these measurements are a way to test the consistency of existing theories. The JILA measurements could enable any change in the fine structure constant over time to be determined with a precision of one part per million.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Again, this assume the light was then the same. In fact the documentation of the bible clearly shows there was plants and light before any stars or sun was made. What kind of light was that? How did it affect plant growth rates? When the sun was created, was it's light also just as it now is? How do you know? Could the lights have been reacting, or combined, or even both seperatly working together for a different end result? You have no idea. Why would I assume the light was as it now is? Why would I assume it will be when this temporary universe vanishes, and again some men will not need the light of the sun? Why were plants created on day 3, I think it was, and animals and man ate the fruits of trees 3 days later? And, they were not zapped into being either. We ate in the garden, and that garden was "planted". We can observe light that has been travelling millions of years to reach us every day. In any case I don't understand all of your religious objections? Do you believe in a lying trickster god that is trying to deceive the human race as to the actual age of the earth by making it seem much older than it actually is? You have two choices: The earth is actually very old or your god is a liar and a trickster
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
I gave the example of radioactive decay. Before the big change, the daughter element was present, involved in some fromer process other than decay. After the big change, the process becomes decay, and the daughter material is produced by this new decay process, WE observe this, measure the amount of daughter material, and how long all that would have taken to be produced as a result of decay, and come up with imaginary time! That's all. Save it for star trec. What in the world are you babbling on about? Dude, no offense, but you don't know ANYTHING about science at all. I know Middle school kids who are well versed in these basic facts you are arguing against. What you don't get is that if all this nonsense about some "big change" you are postulating were true then a lot of science just wouldn't work. These age correlations DEPEND on things working now like they have in the past and the age correlations work REMARKABLY well. The fact that age correlation works so well basically (FL thinking there) proves that there was no change and things still work pretty much the same. Using your arguments, we also have no proof that the world wasn't created last week and all appearence of history and memory is false You are telling people who know vastly more than you do (and many of these guys know vastly more than me) to learn more about science!
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Atomic level changes, with a fundamentally different process. A different direction than deacy, as we now see. Like it or not, you can't deny it. Are you just joking with us now? Or are you a high school drop out (I apologize if you are just a young child that hasn't learned this subjects in school yet)
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Science is a great thing, how the present temporary universe works! That would be a better definition that what we have so far! Now you want us to believe it always will work this way!!? And then teach this a science as well!!!? Heavens. Can you hear yourself here? This is outrageous. Scientific predictions have been very accurate so far. When is this change coming? Because science has been working for a long time.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Nice little speech. Too bad it is just poofy fluff. The age correlation you miss is that it all correlates with a young earth. No it doesn't and you have presented zero evidence it does. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. If you are going to debate these subjects you really ought to learn something about them first. This message has been edited by SuperNintendo Chalmers, 05-04-2006 03:53 PM
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
I only need one sentence.
The Garden of Eden did not exist. In any case I can demonstrate that radioactive decay works and how it works. Can you demonstrate that it doesn't? The burden of proof is on you... since you are the one denying (or just ignorant of?) reality
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5864 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
It'c certainly better than making a fool out of myself.
I can show that radioactive decay works today, how it works and make predictions based on this. We can actually observe it in operation for isotopes with short half-lives. Now, I claim that it also worked this way in the past based on the EVIDENCE that it works this way now. You claim that it didn't based on nothing except your own ignorance. In addition you might want to work on your spelling and grammar.
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