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crashfrog
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Message 62 of 132 (330090)
07-09-2006 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Hyroglyphx
07-09-2006 1:24 PM


Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
I guess for a Deist, God created an atom and then He rested..... and then He rested some more..... and now He's in hibernation.... heck, He hasn't done squat since then.
(You misspelled "universe.")
Well, what else would he have to do? Subsequent action would mean one of three things:
1) God couldn't get it right the first time, in which case he's incompetent;
2) God changed his mind along the way, in which case he's capricious; or
3) Somebody else messed it up, in which case he's powerless.
Why everyone is playing stupid is only to create the illusion of objectivity.
Why are you playing stupid and assuming that Christianity is no wider than your view of it?

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 91 of 132 (330393)
07-10-2006 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Hyroglyphx
07-10-2006 9:04 AM


Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
Interaction does not equal incompetence.
Well, I did give you three options - incompetence, capriciousness, or nonomnipotence. There's no other option for God interacting with the universe after its creation. A perfect God has no need to interact with the universe after creation, because he's gotten it right the first time and taken everything into account. A God that can't do that is no God at all.
What would God have changed His mind for?
You tell me. If he meant to do it one way all along, why would he have to interact along the way?
People mess up all the time, but I wouldn't call God 'powerless,' I'd call Him patient and intimately acquainted with the past, present, and future.
It's precisely his aquaintance with the future which neccessitates one of the three conclusions about God if he's interacting post-creation.
The only basis of my view is contained within the Bible.
The Bible, too, is wider than your view of it. The people whose beliefs you disparage? They support them from the Bible just like you. Sometimes with the very same words.
Now, you can question the integrity of the Scriptures all you want, but if you want to know the basis for my "view," it comes directly from His Word.
Yeah? So do theirs.

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