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Iblis
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Message 32 of 132 (329685)
07-07-2006 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hauk
07-07-2006 7:06 PM


Hauk writes:
Who they avtually forced to drink that poison
Socrates, for inventing classical pedagogy. Hemlock.

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Iblis
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Message 41 of 132 (329876)
07-08-2006 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Hyroglyphx
07-08-2006 12:56 PM


lol @ Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
You have to understand that saying, "I think Jesus is real" is as meaningless as saying, "I like the taste of tacos" if you pervert the truth of who Jesus actually is and what He actually taught in the scriptures.
No I'm sorry I have to disagree. I'm sure I can produce a sizable assortment of people who genuinely like tacos while also successfully perverting the One True Religion. From all sides of any question. People named Bush, people named Chavez, people named Muhammed, even people literally named Jesus. I'm sure you yourself can think of dozens of known taco-lovers near you who have it All Wrong.

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Iblis
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Message 67 of 132 (330128)
07-09-2006 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Hyroglyphx
07-09-2006 12:06 AM


Whitewashed Tombs
The uh, tacos, had no real significance.
No, no, no! This is exactly what I am disagreeing with. I thought at first you might've just broken your analogy by accident in the white heat of composition but you continue to insist on de-valuing the tacos. Dude, tacos are good!
Here, let me break it down into pieces.
"... Jesus is real" is ... meaningless
No problem so far! That statement, unqualified by more information, is totally useless. The person saying it could mean virtually anything! From an actual person who might be responsible for some of these folk-sayings we found in this book all the way up through to a genuine transcendental Lamb Slain Before The Foundation Of The Earth whose story is biologically imprinted into the living brain of every human being. It could have been a space alien!
The use of a being verb with a synonym for being ("is real") is indicative of the very low to nil meaning even to the casual logician. This statement very very clearly requires more statements in order to make clear what the point will be.
is as meaningless as
This is the key right here. I'm expecting another example that is about as meaningless as a random profession of faith in some name from long ago. This next statement needs to also require qualifiers in a big way, in other words. But
"I like the taste of tacos"
doesn't cut it! People really do like tacos, it means a lot to them!
Some people work all day to pay for a diet consisting primarily of tacos.
Some people walk an extra mile to get to the Taco Bell because the McDonald's doesn't have what they want.
Some people land their jet suddenly in Houston ($13,400) so they can luncheon on genuine "Texas Two-Step" nachos instead of those sissy whole-corn jobs they make in California and then spend the next 45 minutes in the air again sitting in their top-of-the-line in-flight executive toilet facility ($517,000) enjoying the lovely warm feeling as the tacos cleanse all their chakras straight down one after the other from the palate to the porch before arriving to take a huge dump on the citizens of the Western United States from high overhead.
So don't try to tell me tacos aren't important! I think what you need to be saying is that if the people who say they love their Author would put as much effort into living the Word as the people who say they love tacos put into, getting the tacos, then maybe people might take them more seriously. And I think the key person you need to be saying it to is you. I don't see a lot in the Book there about how thou shalt sass thy science teachers and call them liars and wish the govment would let thee spank them.
It seems to be all about walking the extra mile, agreeing with your enemies, turning the other cheek, being respectful of authority, not lying, not lying in court, not lying in court about your neighbor, not lying in court about your good friend and neighbor you theoretically love and particularly in the sense of suggesting that they might be the person who was responsible for an action that the judge might be getting ready to consider a crime, the which act was actually specifically intentionally knowingly committed by you,
a lot more generally stuff about telling the truth, not lying, not using two measures, not being pious whitewashed hypocrites who know darned well that what they are trying to do is specifically what the lawful government ordained over them specifically insists that they not do, the same wonderful popular government that is so blessed as to let them have their own schools and teach any retarded misleading cant-ever-be-an-astronaut crap they want to their own kids, just not on money specifically extorted from millions of unbelievers through what would certainly at this late date be a clear establishment of religion and thereby serve to encourage the very enemies we are engaged with on the field of war right now in their claims of moral parity between our free system and their way of running things.
An interesting thing about the scribes and pharisees in that terribly mangled double-paraphrase of the actual living word that you dared to use for filler there is that they believed a lot of things that were very useful for us but not particularly true. I will always be grateful to the scribes who maintained the exact wording of the Hebrew through the dark ages even though I myself don't believe that letting anyone who finds a misprint give ten lashes to the person who made the misprint would be a good modern law to live by nowadays.
And that's the whole point of having a Personal Savior in the first place! The big organized everyone-believe-all-this kind of system you think you would like is exactly what faith is provided to save us from! Those laws you see so clearly, those inspired truths being revealed to you, they're for you! Who says they are for other people ?!? They are places where you are actually falling short and you are in denial about it. The real word never says They oughta or Thou should have, it's always very clear: Thou shalt not
You have to understand that saying, "I think Jesus is real" is as meaningless as saying, "I like the taste of tacos" if you pervert the truth of who Jesus actually is and what He actually taught in the scriptures.

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Iblis
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Message 117 of 132 (331950)
07-15-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Hyroglyphx
07-15-2006 11:01 AM


YOU gotta stop misrepresenting the whatall
10^50 is considered absolute zero
You are trying to say that 10 ^ 50 to 1 against is very low odds, I think. So say that, don't make us say it for you. Or else say that 10 ^ -50 ( ten to the negative 50th) is a very low number. Stop saying nonsense, take 5 minutes to learn the notation and why we use powers of ten and how negative powers fit in or else step away from the abacus altogether.
Everybody worships something.
When the cripple says "Well, everyone needs some kind of crutch", who is he talking to? Who is he talking about? Most of your posts tell me more about you than they do about the subject, and that's not a good thing.
Because you are weak, everyone must be weak. Because tacos and similar staple foods are insignificant to you, they must not be important to anyone. Because you have fixed ideas relating to a spiritual (somatic) pack hierarchy in which you can have no value of your own except in respect to a higher (or lower) power, everyone must. It could be money, or liquor, or mtv (but not tacos? why couldn't it be tacos?) it could be their own understanding, it could even be Charlie Darwin. But everybody must worship something, just because you clearly have to.
Well, I'm sorry to break your bubble, but it isn't so. There are people in the world who have learned not to attach themselves to anything, not to be hypnotized by the world of illusion, not to bow down before anyone, never to submit. And it is people like that who made your religion and all the other ones, to make it easier to rule people like you.
And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

--Mark 2:16,17

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