International opinions: USA on science!

What do you know that we don't?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

To understand why the threat from the IDists and Biblical Creationists cannot be ignored here in the US, you need some understanding of our education system.First, please understand that there is NO National Curriculum or set of standards for education in the US.Second, teachers work for the local school district. IIRC in the county I live in there are eighteen different school boards. Each of these school boards is elected from the general populus of their area. Again, there are no standards or training needed to be on a school board, the position doesn't pay enough to even cover the costs involved, and they can and do set policy.Third, Science is more than just the body of information and technology it generates. It is a method of approaching life that requires learning and practice, like any other skill set. It requires learning and applying critical thinking skills. More than anything else it requires and understanding and appreciation of uncertainty.Fourth, recent studies seem to indicate that the decision to gather those skill sets needs to be made by about the 8^th. Grade or it just doesn't happen. That means that it is those very years that are directly under the control of those school boards that will determine whether or not kids get the basics that will allow them to later go into science or as citizens to understand science.Fifth, many of the Biblical Creationists (See article on Southern Baptists) and IDists are very serious about ether pulling the kids out of the public school systems or of getting on those school boards to control the content and direction of kid's education.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

nemesis_juggernaut, you continue to keep asserting that there is some connection between the TOE and atheism or some desire to write GOD out of the scenario when that is simply not true. There are many supporters of both the TOE and old earth that are every bit as religious as you, Christians, who believe that the Bible shoud be authoritive in matters of faith and belief. They also oppose the teaching of ID and most certainly, Biblical Creationism.You need to stop asserting things that are not only untrue, but that you have been shown are untrue. If you will look here you will find a list of over 10,000 US Christian Clergy who accept the TOE and oppose the teaching of ID or Biblical Creationism.In the words of the Clergy Project:

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That's fine, you are free to believe any fiction you want.The difference is that I supplied a list of over 10,000 Christian Clergy that accept the TOE and oppose the teaching of Biblical Creationism and its clone, ID, you provided nothing but your own argument from incredulity.You also quoted from some Humanist Manifesto. That's fine but it has nothing to do with whether or not Christians support the TOE.The facts are that I provided evidence, you only assertion. In addition, you made absolutely silly claims, for example: Please provide evidence that Roman Catholics are not Christians or stop making misrepresentations. Please show that the Miller-Urey experiment failed or stop making misrepresentations. Please provide the support for that assertion or stop using it.Frankly, I am glad you made your post. It is a great example of what many in the US believe, and I hope that the viewers from other nations will read it and understand fully why positions such as yours should be feared and hopefully they will take care that the infection of ignorance does not spread to their shores.The point is that your post contained nothing but personal opinion and misrepresentations. It is at the heart of the issue being discussed here, a retreat from reality and shows a total misunderstanding of Science.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

We understand what you are saying, it is simply wrong.The TOE has never been fact, and your first clue should be that it is called the Theory of Evolution. Of course it changes as more is learned. That is the nature of Science, Wisdom, Knowledge.That Evolution happened is a FACT. The evidence for that is so overwhelming that using a term such as FACT can be justified.The explanation of that FACT, the TOE has changed and hopefully will change as more is learned.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion