Missouri Anti-Evolution Bill

Underneath the NCSE title, one reads the following: "Defending the Teaching of Evolution in the Public Schools"And on this Missouri Bill the NCSE used the heading: "Antievolution legislation stirring"(1) No creationist (person or organization) that I'm aware of is looking to keep evolution from being taught in public schools - not a single one. IOW, teaching evolution has no need for a defense. There's the first deception by the NCSE.(2) The second deception is in the headline "Antievolution legislation stirring". What is being proposed is NOT, I repeat, NOT, "antievolution" --- it is PRO-truth. Read the Bill for yourself - nowhere does it say "Stop teaching evolution" ... it's objective is to promote a greater truth with other facts brought into evidence (something that the NCSE for some odd reason objects to).Again, I know of not a single creationist that would say, "Teaching evolution should be banned from our schools." There is undoubtedly some science in the ToE and this should be taught. It's when Naturalism is tossed into the mix and passed off as "science" that we creationists object to.What people such as these are trying to do is make 'bogeymen' out of us ... to make it appear like we're anti-science, anti-progress, anti-knowledge. To the uninformed we are thereby vilified as "religious fanatics".Folks, this is deception of a very wicked kind. Don't take my word for it. I encourage you to seek the TRUTH about these things. People such as the NCSE are deceiving many. These people -- materialistic Naturalists -- have a religious agenda while hiding behind the guise of science.Have a great New Year, in Christ, Jesus,Jorge Fernandez

I'd say the sponsor of this bill, Rep. Cynthia Davis, does that all on her own. Here's a fun list of bills she's co-sponsored in her time.HB907: Prohibits locating sexually explicit billboards within one mile of any state highway.HB911: Requires the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design.HB1000: Prohibits the use of public funds for health and social services programs to subsidize abortion services.HB1091: Requires a countywide election after a favorable municipal election to approve gambling boats in cities located within a county.HB1151: Prohibits individuals from engaging or participating in human cloning.HB1194: Prohibits locating billboards for adult cabarets or sexually oriented businesses within one mile of any state highway and prohibits persons under 21 years of age from installing them.HB1677: Prohibits a state agency or child-placing agency from placing a child with a person who is in a sexual relationship with someone other than a spouse.HB1722: Requires the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design.HJR38: Proposes a constitutional amendment establishing marriage as only between a man and a woman.HJR39: Proposes a constitutional amendment establishing marriage as only between a man and a woman.HJR47: Proposes a constitutional amendment establishing marriage as only between a man and a woman.**********************************************************************Heck ... she can count on MY vote - even if she's running to be the first female President!Joralex

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No, that is not correct. How can it be "PRO-truth" to advocate the teaching of biased religious ideas in a public classroom that are clearly false and merely dressed up enough to convince a lazy minded and scientifically illiterate layman?

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And Naturalism isn't a "biased religious idea"? Just who do you think you're kidding?

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Why should science teachers be forced be legislative fiat to teach lies? They shouldn't.

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Yet I don't hear any complaints about the falsehoods being fed to our kids to promote Naturalism/evolution. Why is that?

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Creationists don't want the "greater truth" you mentioned, unless it is their "greater truth". That is the whole problem.

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Uh, huh ... and materialistic Naturalists don't want any "greater truth" unless it's their "greater truth" -- that the material universe is
"All there ever was and is and ever shall be (amen)." Quote from the late Carl Sagan (my 'amen').

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I do. Lots of them. Don't kid yourself about the totalitarian nature of some of the people you have philosophically allied yourself with.

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I'm willing to bet that I know far more creationists (I'm a YEC myself) and I know not a single one that says this and yet you know "lots of them". I find that particularly interesting.

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Creationism is inherently anti-science. It is the act of taking belief in a given mythology and accepting it rather then the findings of science. I think that's a pretty good definition of "anti-science".

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You are so far out in left field you think you're playing right field.

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Further, since the the vast majority of real progress in the history of man has been by people using the principles of science, I think "anti-science" and "anti-progress" go pretty much hand in hand.

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FYI, the "vast majority" of the foundations of modern science was laid down by people believing in God. To name just two, Isaac Newton and J. C. Maxwell (Maxwell's Equations). Newton's writings in Christian theology far exceed his work in math and physics combined.

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Finally, if one defines "knowledge" as "the state or act of knowing", as the American Heritage Dictionary does, and considering that science is the only way humanity has found to get real information about the world, then those who deliberately turn their backs on that information may rightly be called "anti-knowledge". So, yes, creationists are anti-science, anti- progress, and anti-knowledge. Creationists who want their views taught in the public schools in any way are also pretty much anti-The United States Constitution.

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You're simply lost.

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This just laughable. Naturalism is part and parcel of science, one of the pillars on which it stands, and all the advances that it has provided are reliant upon it. Yet, now, when a disgruntled minority of believers in one mythology find they do not like it's findings, we are supposed to start doing science differently, in a way that suits them and their worldview.

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'Clueless' is the only word that comes to mind.Joralex