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Steen
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Message 12 of 50 (172457)
12-31-2004 1:43 AM


As expected, davis is a fundie loon. Not unlike the person on the Dover, PA school board who was pushing for ID to be taught along with evolution and managed to bully the school board into going along with the plan (Now they are backpedalling of fear for the lawsuits that they didn't consider in their religious fervor).

  
Steen
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Message 24 of 50 (173262)
01-03-2005 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Joralex
01-02-2005 7:57 PM


Re: Deception disguised as "science"
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FYI, the "vast majority" of the foundations of modern science was laid down by people believing in God. To name just two, Isaac Newton and J. C. Maxwell (Maxwell's Equations). Newton's writings in Christian theology far exceed his work in math and physics combined.
And?... You are not going to claim that those who accept the science of the Scientific theory of Evolution are somehow atheists or against God, are you? because that would be a lie.
So exactly what is the relevance of whether people believe or not? Evolution is not about whether the person has religious faith or not; it is solely about the data, regardless of people's professed faith.
So please drop the red herrings and deal with the issue, thanks

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Steen
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Message 25 of 50 (173267)
01-03-2005 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Itachi Uchiha
01-03-2005 12:07 AM


Teaching science is not about the most "popular" argument.
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Its all about showing all the students the different sides to the story of life.
No, it is about teaching them science; about teaching them factual data.
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What Joralex is trying to say is that we don't want evolution to be taken out of the classroom but instead just add the other side or sides of the story and have them all be taught neutrally by the teacher or instructor.
There is no "other side." Science is not about popular opinions; it is about the scientific data. And per the science, evolution is the model that best explains the biosphere. On the other hand, there is no scientific evidence that supports either creationism or ID. So if you want that taught in school, then it needs to be done in some class other than science class.
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That way students can excersise their right to choose what makes sense to them and what doesn't.
Ah, yes. They can chose between scientific chemistry and "earth, fire, water and air."
They can chose between scientific evolution and "god did it because the Bible says so."
They can chose between scientific gravity and "an angel sits on your shoulder and flaps the wings so you don't fall off the planet."
They can chose between scientific geology and "the Earth is flat."
Nice going there. Where did you get the warped idea that FACTS somehow were subject to faith or religious beliefs? Is math next? Is 5+2 = 7 or is 5 bread and 2 fish = infinite amount? Since when is factual information based on what the students prefer the answer to be?
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Doing this we avoid discriminating one view or the other and the students get a better education because they learn from all the theories.
Yes, I agree. All SCIENTIFIC Theories should be taught in Science class.
Oh, wait. As creationism and ID have not been evaluated and confirmed through the application of the Scientific Method, they are not Scientific Theories, and as such they are completely irrelevant to your talk about "theories" (By which I hope you mean Scientific Theories, right? I sure hope you know the difference).
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Its as simple as that.
As that science is science, and that creationism and ID are not and therefore have no place in a Science class anyway? Yes, it is as simple as that.
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Why do you evos have such a big problem with this when you appear to be so confident about your "science".
Oh, in quotation marks and everything. Aren't you are trying to say that a Scientific Theory generated through the application of the Scientific Method is invalid? It sure looks like that is what you are saying here. Either that is based on extreme ignorance as you are also saying that all other Scientific Theories are invalid, or you just didn't have a clue about how science worked in the first place, which is at least as distrubing for somebody who want to speak out against a Scientific Theory because it means that your opposition is not based on the Scientific Theory, but solely on your perception that it somehow is against what you have already decided is wrong, regardles sof the evidence.
So either you are ignorant or you are merely dogmatic fundamentalist. Which is it?
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If our views are so stupid why not expose the people at an early age to them so that you guys can fight "ignorance"
Why should we teach lies to kids? That is essentially child abuse.

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