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Macavity
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Message 81 of 233 (110565)
05-26-2004 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by jar
05-25-2004 12:47 PM


Rate of growth?
jar writes:
In this particular case, by about 2 meters in a matter of seconds.
Are you sure about this, Jar? 2 meters seems like an amazing amount of growth. (I couldn't find any solid numbers during a quick Googling.) The 1994 Northridge earthquake caused the Santa Susana Mountains to grow by only 38 centimeters.
--Macavity

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Macavity
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Message 84 of 233 (110811)
05-27-2004 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by jar
05-26-2004 10:50 AM


Re: Rate of growth?
Jar:
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not arguing for a minute that plate tectonics don't happen, or don't cause earthquakes/mountain building. I'm just surprised that an earthquake can uplift an entire mountain range so severely---and so quickly!
Basically, I don't have any real argument, I'm just freakin' amazed.
Rocky:
I also like talking about earthquakes. Yeah, I've seen plenty of pics of vertical displacement around faults on relatively flat land, but I've never heard of mountain ranges growing by meters on account of an earthquake. If it's true, consider me duly impressed!
Ok, that's it for my off-topic chatter.
--Macavity

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Macavity
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Message 87 of 233 (110988)
05-27-2004 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by jar
05-27-2004 4:32 PM


Re: Rate of growth?
Well, we're officially way off-topic here... but if the mods don't object, I'll try and clear this up. I now see the problem I was having envisioning rapid mountain uplift. In post 80 you said "there most certainly are forces capable of raising mountains..."
And I didn't have a problem with that statement, I just couldn't believe that a whole range could be uplifted that quickly. Why? Well, mainly because I stupidly forgot about where and how faults are distributed throughout a given mountain range. (e.g., a typical fault-block range.)
Another reason I kept stumbling over the thought of rapid uplift is because I had my mind fixed on the mistaken notion that mountains were uplifted primarily by way of isostatic adjustment--which, of course, is considerably slower and less dramatic. Anyway, I finally found a paper that describes vertical displacement within a block of the San Gabriel Mountains during the '71 quake.
Preliminary measurements of fault displacements across several traces indicate that the cumulative oblique reverse slip across the 1 km (0.6 mi.) wide zone exceeds 1 m (3 ft.). Left-lateral displacement appears to be smaller than vertical offset throughout most of the fault zone. This indicates that a western block of the San Gabriel Mountains moved south to south-westward and upward relative to the San Fernando Valley block (diagram, page 64).
You can read the entire paper (which is quite interesting, BTW) here:
http://www.johnmartin.com/earthquakes/eqpapers/00000018.htm
Thanks for setting me straight,
--Macavity
P.S. Trixie, thanks for the link.

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Macavity
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Message 89 of 233 (112566)
06-03-2004 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by ChadRayTay
06-02-2004 10:54 PM


Re: Stupid theory...
ChadRayTay,
Welcome to EvC Forum! I'm not exactly sure why you addressed this post to me. I assume that the "this guy" you're talking about is Walt Brown, yes? If so, you're preaching to the choir; Walt's ideas have no merit.
In future posts you might want to make an effort to be a bit clearer, and so avoid any possible confusion. Also, when you make statements like this:
Since this theory involves water shooting, and I quote "high above the atmosphere," it falls apart.
Please be sure to give attribution or post a link to the source you are quoting from. (Though I suspect you were just saying that for rhetorical effect.)
Finally, you might want to be a bit hesitant about awarding the title of "idiot" to someone when you screw up the spelling of "theories." Makes you look bad, ya know?
Again, welcome to the forum.
--Macavity

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