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jar

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Message 20 of 112 (184925)
02-13-2005 4:32 PM

Reply to: Message 19 by Chiroptera
02-13-2005 3:52 PM

Actually that combo shows up within the first 175 places.

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Message 22 of 112 (184932)
02-13-2005 4:47 PM

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02-13-2005 4:40 PM

You know I'm too old and lazy to actually be able to come up with proof. If someone hasn't done it before me I'm in deep kimshi; originality and creativity are something only to be dreamed of.

But let's try a stupid approach that sometimes works for an old man. Maybe we'll get a chochmeh.

If roll a dice an infinte number of times will I ever get a 1?

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Message 27 of 112 (184951)
02-13-2005 6:02 PM

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02-13-2005 4:57 PM

Well, TTBOMK no one has yet proven that any of the numbers like pi or the squareroot of 2 are random but IIRC, the folk at Lawrence berkley were making some early steps towards proving Hypothesis A. If that is ever proven then there would at least be a likelyhood of a general proof.

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Message 29 of 112 (184954)
02-13-2005 6:24 PM

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02-13-2005 6:15 PM

Re: Bleh.

Well, before the Fall it was much easier. In the Garden of Eden there were only natural numbers. It was only after the Fall that we were cursed with complex or irrational numbers. There were not even negative numbers until the serpent looked back over where he thought his shoulder was located.

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Message 88 of 112 (188900)
02-27-2005 12:21 PM

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02-27-2005 12:12 PM

Re: Logic

Who was it that discovered, announced, published and exposed the frauds?

It is not evolutionists you need to worry about. One of the best things about the scientific method is that it is self correcting. In a peer review system it's hard to get away with cheating. Because science is open, and claims must not only be backed up with evidence but subject to examination and verification by outside sources, fraud gets caught and EXPOSED.

This is certainly not true for the crap put out by creationists.

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Message 95 of 112 (188914)
02-27-2005 12:55 PM

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02-27-2005 12:41 PM

Re: Logic

If as I am told ad nauseaum that science cannot prove the existence of God it must also be true it can't prove the non-existence of Him either.

Of course. That is why almost every Christian and non-Christian church accepts teaching the TOE and opposes teaching Creationism. The Theory of Evolution has NOTHING to do with either the existence or non-existence of GOD.

It would seem foolish not to encourage both sides and hope one of them is right. Otherwise all your eggs are in one basket.
Foolish is the status quo.

What does that have to do with the topic?

If you are right everything the Creationist know -about origins not science in general - is wrong.
If they are right the same applies to you.

Of course. However there is ample evidence to support both Evolution and the TOE while there is NO evidence to support Creationism.

The Topic is "Will you oppose to scientific conclusions if they'll lead to theology?"

I believe that ALL scientists and anyone who follows the scientific method would accept scientific evidence that led to theological conclusions. I also believe it is very unlikely we will ever see any such evidence.

The above can easily be tested. Simply ask those who you think would not accept such conclusions, Atheists for example, "If faced with irrefutable evidence that GOD exists, would you abandon the scientific method and deny GOD's existence or accept the evidence?"

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