Evolution is a religion. Creation is a religion.

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
ey go christian!!! woooo.
look at it this way evolutionists, God and the bible have been around in all of civilized society and are accepted as fact, we dont need evidence; you need to disprove it, good luck with that (contradictions in the bible dont prove anything other than bad story telling). Evolution is very new theory and has to be proven and still fit in with the facts already layed down, it also cant be made on any assumptions or guesses. it has to be 100% pure evidence otherwise it isnt science, even according to yourselves. we dont really need to show whats wrong with evolution, but where being nice and showing you the faults.

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If there is 'bad story telling' in the bible, that means that the
story tellers could NOT have been touched by God and writing at
His direction. If that is the case then the Bible is JUST
a story ... so why believe it.Proof (if you excuse the lay use of the word) of the Bible cannot
be attributed to its divine origin. Mainly because many of those
who question it do NOT believe in that divinity.BUT if the one God was responsible for the Bible's words, and
they are true ... they should be independently verifiable. I opened
a thread asking for Independent Historical verification of Biblical
events ... with a reason why ... but I've had NO TAKERS.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
I agree that people base the theory evolution on scientific facts. That does not make Evolution science. Most of evolution is beliefs and theories. The same as creation. This is the most difficult thing for such "smart" people to understand. Another word for it is "Blindness".

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Theories in evolution arise from observable facts. The same as
in any scientific enquiry.It's a bit of semantic juggling to say that evolution is founded
in belief. One may find theories 'believable' in the sense of
'credible' or 'feasible', but that does NOT make them 'beliefs'.Perhaps you need to be more presise about your definitions (and I
don't think dictionaries are going to be useful here).To me a BELIEF is a conviction held on faith, which requires NO
evidence to support it. One believes in the texts of their faith
regardless of whether there is any direct evidence to support
the content. In general, one does NOT read scripture critically.A THEORY is an explanation for a set of observable phenomena.Theories are examined critically, and as new evidence arises the
theories are ammended/discarded as approriate.Changing someone's beliefs is next to impossible.Changing someone's opinion of a theory simply requires credible
refutation of the theory.I am an evolutionist, but provide me with evidence to refute (or
even cast reasonable doubt on) any area of the theory and I will
re-examine my own opinion ... potentially even agreeing that
that area is not right.I have asked before, and reiterate as you brought up a similar
concept ... why do you believe that Bible contains absolute fact?I can list (in some detail) the evidences that convince me that
evolution has occurred ... and this forum contains quite a lot
of that.If you wish to debate the Bible, find a Bible discussion group.If you wish to debate the scientific credentials of 'Creation Science'
open your mind to the possibility that it might not be, otherwise
debate is pointless.I doubt you would find a scientist who categorically 'believes' (in your sense) in evolution. Rather, most scientists find it credible,
and a likely explanation for the observable phenomena.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
The Great Debate,

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If you read, study, and undestand the bible, there would be no debate. Why am I going to debate you, when you've been debated time and time again. You still pretend to understand the mumbo jumbo you call evidence, where there is no evidence that eveolution ever occured. What amazes me is that you find evidence of thing the bible has already talked about, and try to roll it all up to support evolution. There really is no debate and you can't prove evolution.

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It is IMPOSSIBLE to PROOVE anything outside of maths and computer
science.What evidence for evolution do you consider 'mumbo jumbo' ?Not understanding something is not really a firm foundation for
suggesting that its wrong.I HAVE read the bible, and being a reasonably intelligent, well-educated, well-read individual I feel that I do understand
much of what the Bible has to offer. And I think it does have
quite a lot to offer.The one thing it is NOT is an adequate explanation for the emergence
of life.It is dangerous in the extreme to take ANY text as the literal
truth above all others. Especially so the Bible.Even if SOME of the translators of the Bible have been touched
by God in their translation efforts ... there are just as many
who have attempted to corrupt God's word for their own purposes.We CANNOT categorically state that the Bible as we find it nowadays
is as it was intended to be when originally conceived (unless
we are particularly young and/or naive).Science has also found evidence for things believed in the past,
and shown that the beliefs were mis-placed. Ultimately, the Bible
is a work of man, and man (as the Bible itself points out) is
corruptible.If you wish to enter constructively into the Creation vs Evolution
debate, then do so.If your intent is to preach, whilst paying NO attention to those
who speak against you, then stop and re-think your reason for
being here.One of the main contentions that got Jesus nailed to a cross was
that the scriptures did not reflect modern life (modern in his
time) and that the priesthood were mis-representing God's teachings.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"To answer "restored?" erosion would have occured during the great flood. the pyramids would have collapsed."
--For one, I don't think those massive structures would have collapsed even if they were pre-flood. Why do you assume that they were pre-flood?

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If the flood happened 4500 years ago (i.e. approx 2500 BCE ),
and pharoahs began ruling in Egypt about 3000 BCE. The
pyramid of Cheops is dated to 2560BCE (bearing in mind that the
time scales of ancient egypt were researched and identified
before radiometric dating techniques were known.If there us an Egyptian ACCOUNT (not legend) of the flood please
tell it to me.Also how could the Egyptian dynastys have survived if only Noah
and sons did ?

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Originally posted by Christian1:
You think that by posting really long "tiresome" answers that it makes you inteligent? If you don't have my beliefs I don't think you are stupid, I only think your belief is stupid.

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How tolerant .. Jesus would be SO proud!!

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Originally posted by Christian1:

I think your belief is stupid because there is no proof only what you believe is evidence.

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Hang on ... so you accept that there IS evidence behind the
theory of evolution ?That's a good start. We DO NOT BELIEVE in evolution.
We examine the evidence critically against the theory, and MAKE
UP OUR OWN MINDS as to whether or not the theory holds up in the
face of that evidence.This is NOT BELIEF, this is rational thinking.

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Originally posted by Christian1:

I'm sorry that you think that my mind isn't open and that I've been brainwashed. I stringly believe that infact you are the ones who've been brain washed.

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Who were these friends who convinced you that evolution was wrong
and that the Bible was 100% literal truth ?What convinces you of that literal truth ?

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Originally posted by Christian1:
I don't fear science. You ask me for something you your self do not provide, and then attack me when I provide you with the same as you provide me.

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Eh ? Don't understand what you are saying above.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
I actually thought I evolved because of what I was taught in school and had a belief in God at the same time. I began to read, study, and understand the bible and discussed it with friends, needless to say I realized that I was wrong for believing in evolution.

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Why were you wrong ?Sounds an awful lot like peer pressure to me.Think for yourself ... question why you used to equally believe in
God and accept evolution. If you did don't you think some
evolutionists might ?

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Originally posted by Christian1:
I would definately say that I do have an open mind, and I also think reasonably.

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Re-read some of your own posts and critically assess what you
say above.Open minded people, in general, listen to arguments put in front
of them, and respond to those arguments, rather than simply
re-iterate what you have been saying all along as though none of
us are here.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
Evolution is based on beliefs with no proof, the fact that you believe in it makes it a religion. The fact that you cannot accept any other option makes you religious.

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And here you ARE completely wrong.I accept evolution as a credible explanation for observable
phenomena in the real-world.There IS evidence which supports evolution ... the proof (in laymans
terms) that you deny even exists is there ... read the rest of
this forum ... do some web-searches and look at NON-CREATIONIST sites
too.We, as rationale individuals CAN accept other possibilities ...
provided that they BETTER EXPLAIN the phenomena that we observe.

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Originally posted by Christian1:

The reason Evolutionist's refuse to admit that thier belief is religious is becase it would not be able to be taught in schools, and would be thrown out on to the street the same as you have tried to do with God.

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Only in the USA. In all other western countries it is perfectly
legal (and common practice) to teach religous beliefs in school.The USA is large, but it is NOT the whole world!!Check the evolutionsists who debate here, there are manuy from
outside the USA, and so there is no reason for US to claim that
evolution is not a religion (if indeed it were)!

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Originally posted by Christian1:
Evolution is attempting to erase God. I'm sorry, God is going to erase Evolution. ...I wouldn't recommend attempting to engage in a debate with him.

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If you believe that 'proof' of evolution would erase God, then I
see why you are worried.It will not erase God.Many believers accept evolution, and that the Bible is NOT
intended to be taken literally.