Evolution is a religion. Creation is a religion.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
Creation is a religion, Evolution is a RELIGION, Science is what we can observe and test to be true. My religion is proved over and over and over and over and over and over and evolutionists cannot offer even an shred of solid proof. Yet they call evolution "science". Please do not get this mixed up.

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If you have proof of evolution "a scientific experiment, in a complete form with facts and without doubts or other theories" I'm going to tell you where you can get $250,000 for it. Please visit http://www.drdino.com to collect.

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Those of you who believe in God and Evolution should watch Dr. Hovind's videos which can be found on the "money link" or even read and understand the bible. The mear fact that evolutionists chalk their religion up as being "science" is painfully mistaken, there is no proof or science experiment that supports the theroy of evolution. I've seen the bible proven to be acurate time and time again and untill it is proven wrong, I will continue have my beliefs as a True Christian and creationist. And keep in mind that God created "TIME" as well, proof is spoken in the book of genius.

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And keep in mind that God created "TIME" as well, proof is spoken in the book of genius.

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Um, using the book of Genesis as evidence that God exists is circular reasoning. Genesis already assumes that God exists.

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The mear(sic) fact that evolutionists chalk their religion up as being "science" is painfully mistaken, there is no proof or science experiment that supports the theroy of evolution.

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the fact that you are even using the word "proof" when referring to scientific theories shows your ignorance of science. Science does not deal in "proofs", it deals in evidence.Have a look at the following website to get a good overview of what science is and isn't. Also follow the internal link for Creation "science", to learn why it is pseudoscience. http://www.skepdic.com/science.html

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My religion is proved over and over and over and over and over and over and evolutionists cannot offer even an shred of solid proof.

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Your religion is "proved?" Do you think you have "proof" of God's existence, that the Flood occurred, that all animals including humans were specially created, suddenly, by this god that you have proof of?Well, don't keep this amazingly-convincing evidence all to yourself, now. Tell us all about this overwhelming evidence that you are privy to!Now, I am thinking that you believe that the Bible is the word of God, and that it contains no contradictions, am I right? If so, please read on.Please go to message #127 (page 9) in the thread entitled "Is the Bible the Word of God?"In this post, I point out a contradiction between the first three Gospels and John concerning the timing Christ's crucifiction.Please explain how Christ can be crucified after Passover in the first three gospels, but before Passover in John.I will look forward to your response at that thread.------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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You are confused as to what science is, and isn't.Repeating your misunderstanding and erronious opinions will not get you very far here, I'm afraid.Read the link I provided to you.Here it is again: http://www.skepdic.com/science.htmlMake sure to also read the internal link found within the text about Creation science, too.If you are confused by anything there, or would like to discuss anything in deatail, please cut n paste the bit you would like to talk about, and we will go from there.Until you show that you understand the basics of what science is, I see very little point in discussing things with you.Please be different from most creationists and atually read the links I have provided, so we can engage in intelligent discussion.------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
Thats true...Kent Hovind did receive a PHD in some barn school somewhere in Florida. A Doctor of what exactly,i dont really know...probably of theology or something to that effect.

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"Dr." Hovind PURCHASED his PhD from a diploma mill called "Patriot University" which is operated out of a split-level in Colorado. Check out the photo, it's great for a laugh: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.htmlAlso, there is a link on this page to an account of someone who tried to claim Hovind's prize. It explains the rigged nature of the challenge, and wasn't able to get Hovind to show that he was good for the prize money, either.From the essay, "Some Questionable Creationist Credentials" at TalkOrigins, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.htmlKent Hovind (b. 195?)Kent Hovind is a young-earth creationist who gives frequent public lectures on evolution and creationism. He is well-known for repeating the claim that the remains of a basking shark found by Japanese fishermen off the coast of New Zealand were actually those of a recently deceased plesiosaur.Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education from Patriot University in Colorado. According to Hovind, his 250-page dissertation was on the topic of the dangers of teaching evolution in the public schools. Formerly affiliated with Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Patriot University is accredited only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, an accreditation mill that provides accreditation for a $100 charge. Patriot University has moved to Alamosa, Colorado and continues to offer correspondence courses for $15 to $32 per credit. The school's catalog contains course descriptions but no listing of the school's
faculty or their credentials. Name It and Frame It lists Patriot University as a degree mill [3].------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
quick question quick reply. says 2000 years of christians and even more years of judaism.

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Well, if the length of time a religion has been around is what makes it the "best" to you, shouldn't you actually be following one of the ancient Asian religions?------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Originally posted by Christian1:
The Great Debate,

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If you read, study, and undestand the bible, there would be no debate. Why am I going to debate you, when you've been debated time and time again. You still pretend to understand the mumbo jumbo you call evidence, where there is no evidence that eveolution ever occured. What amazes me is that you find evidence of thing the bible has already talked about, and try to roll it all up to support evolution. There really is no debate and you can't prove evolution.

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This is a debate club.If you are not interested in debating the scientific evidence, please don't post here at all.Your repeated empty assertions are tiresome.It is as though you are saying, "The moon is made of green cheese, the moon is made of green cheese, the moon is made of green cheese."You repeat your mantra over and over again and give no attempt to convince with specific evidence at all. You simply say "Anyone who doesn't believe exactly as I do is stupid."Fundamentalism in any religion leads to the intolerance of opposing viewpoints and the desire that everyone should think the same.You know, like the Taliban.What I find ironoic is that you accuse people who do not think and believe precisely the way you do of thinking that they know it all.It is YOU who has decided that you know everything. You believe that you have perfect knowledge, don't you, and that you need not study science in order to understand it before you declare that it is all wrong?You have been brainwashed to hate and fear science and not question anything, haven't you?------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Yes, it [evolution] is a fact, again in the same sense that gravity is both a fact and a theory at the same time as well.

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-from nos, previous posting

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I agree to that under those definitions, but at the same time isn't Christianity a scientific fact by the same reasoning? Neither can be proved with absolute certainty because they are based on probabilities and 'best solution' logic. Christianity too looks for answers and has theories about the origin of the world that are being changed to better suit observations.

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No, Christianity would not be considered a scientific fact because it is not based upon scientific tenets.Science is evidence-based, tentative and falsifiable, while Christianity is revelation-based.

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Look at it this way, for a theory to become fact it needs to survive without refutation. I have never heard an argument that has destroyed my beliefs, so I feel they have not been refuted.

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Are you following scientific rules, though? Just because you haven't changed your beliefs doesn't mean you are right. The scientific method is designed, through repeated testing, peer review and other means, to get us closer to consensus. One scientist's opinion might be right, but it isn't going to be accepted until her work has been tested by others.I suggest reading up on what science is and how it works, and also how it is that science considers Evolution to be both theory and fact. Here are some good links. Enjoy:science - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
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"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"