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Brad McFall
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Message 28 of 125 (65326)
11-09-2003 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Beercules
11-09-2003 1:29 PM


I hope this helps.
It is my understanding that Cantor notion of ordertypes makes this
Well it would seem odd to have a bunch of infinites in continuous space and 3 other dimensions but not time. But that is still just an arbitrary choice, ie. imposing human preferences on the universe.
not a "human" preference but the negative is pantheism instead of the positive application to a "number continuum". Even if NosyNed is correct that a QM discretness need necessarily apply the strech may be made up of sets of actual iinfinites but Russel's history of logic (not history of physics) with its implcations for harmonic analysis for example seems to still be keeping the nature of science from reCovering this possible science of nature.

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Brad McFall
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Message 35 of 125 (65361)
11-09-2003 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by crashfrog
11-09-2003 2:58 PM


I know this helps.
Matchette OUtline of MetAphysics p. 33 "In a quite definite sense, our view is also atomistic- although our "atom", we shall see, is something queite different from the traditional philosophical, or even physical atoms.
Our theory asserts that the fundamental substance, the basic building block of the universe, that of which all esle in the universe, the relative world, is comprised, is an ultimate, primordial particle which we name, for presently apparent reasons, the Zero-Atom-Unit.
In a literal sense of the term, atom, the Zero-Atom Unit is an atom. It is ultimate and indivisible.
Why an atomisitc hypothesis? Surely this is the direction of the discoveries and researches of contemporary physics. Even as early as 1878, the great Maxwell said: "Natural causes, we know, are at work which tend to modify, if they do not at length destroy, all the arrangements and dimensions of the earth and the whole solar system. But though in the course of ages catastrophes have occurred and may yet occurr in the heavens- though ancient systems may be dissolved and new systems evolved out of the ruind, the molecules out of which these systems are built - the foundation stations of the material universe - remain unbroken and unworn." If we replace "molecule" by "atom", the point of view is clear and contemporary" and now between 1950 and 2000 replace this adjective or noun with "Newton's 'black body'" and I beleieve we have metaphysically Danjuns notion but that is for Dan justly to say not me. One may try to use Boschovichian energy for instance as to how sun light provides an embryo negentropy with or without neophenogenesis! Read please.

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Brad McFall
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Message 49 of 125 (65400)
11-09-2003 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by danjuns
11-09-2003 4:26 PM


4H
Dan had pointed it out earlier one puts a string"QS" Materialanother string"/QS" with the 'square bace character in the place of where I put the """ so for intstance below I could have responded to Crash with
Matchette said on two pages in his Outline ,
The Zero-Atom Unit is, thus, the ultimate divergent of relative existence and in its role as building block is also the "unit of Polarity"; it is so to speak, the "carrier" of the influence of the Absolute throughout the Relative. For the polarization of the entire domain of the relative with the Absolute is effected VIA the Major Polarity coupling with the Zero-Atom Unit with the Absolute. Through this original polarization, "all the progeny" of the Zero-Atom Unit are also polarized with the Absolute. n.b. There is a difference to which we may call attention. Every Zero-Atom Unit is polarized with the Absolute directly, But combinations of Zero-Atom Units are, as entities, polarized with the Absolute directly. But combinations of Zero-Atom Units are, as entites, polarized with the Absolute ONLY through the Zero-Atom Units which compose them. It is in this way..."
and Matchette also said how AND WHY
What THIS interpretation of the ultimate constitution DOES entail, is some specific explanation of WHY these regularities do, in fact, obtain. For the physicist and the chemist, the WHY is forever beyond his apparatus.^13 It is to this domain, out of reach of the physical scientist, that the particular interpretation of the Zero-Atom, dual with the Absolute, as the ultimate constituent of relative existence, is relevant and explantory. For, in the character of the Zero-Ato-Unit, dual with the Absolute, we shall discover the causal substratum for the observed regularities, uniformities and orders of the relative realm.
This is not imagination and speculation but a requirement in the renewed discussion of absolute space and time brought up by Craw when attempting to take into effect the notion of levels of organzation as individuals with specific begninings and endings in empirical space. The other guys/gals here have yet to indicate that I am presenting a consistent view. It is not out of the blue but simply read as is. Crashfrog is simply using the same "prejudice" my two physicist brothers use when discussing change of form with me but I must say BOTH as the interpretation works compared to the Frog in the case that in fact one believes in a GOD and the other is asking.All I need supply is little Mendelian grammetology. All the naysayers can say is that I'vs got the wrong grounded substrate but with Wolfran's new kind of science even this objection is not the lack of understading it may still appear to be. I am still a "master" of this unit or domain.

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Brad McFall
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Message 67 of 125 (87048)
02-17-2004 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Nunatax
02-17-2004 1:28 PM


Galvani complained before death that Volta had "infinte" contacts which he admitted for the fish equilvalent that Faraday asked between living conductors and insulators that thermal contact was infinitly different while there have not been any direct applications of Cantor's infinity to the mammal of a different geographic distribution in the same universe that may not be like any of what these physicists who do not split biology and chemistry think. It could be actually infinite if Darwin's power of motion in plants and Bolazano infinity find a current instanitation. Just try. It cant be has hard as me explaning how to do it.

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