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Author Topic:   Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists
MrHambre
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Message 57 of 196 (157919)
11-10-2004 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by contracycle
11-10-2004 9:07 AM


But who would buy it?
Let's be fair. Mike has provided much better examples of desperate rationalization.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 108 of 196 (158758)
11-12-2004 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by mike the wiz
11-12-2004 12:33 PM


Really Literal
Mike claims,
quote:
most people think Jesus is literal, because he is.
He may have been, but there are Jesus-related matters that you probably accept as literal even though they can't be accepted rationally. Did Jesus literally heal the sick? Did he literally turn water into wine? Did he literally walk on water? Did he literally come back from the dead? If he literally rose to the sky in front of his disciples, what quadrant of space is he literally floating through right now?
The topic is knowledge, and there's no basis for knowing any of those things happened literally.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 110 of 196 (158836)
11-12-2004 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by mike the wiz
11-12-2004 3:17 PM


More Desperate Rationalization
Mike states,
quote:
As to whether you or I believe these things, that's a matter of belief.
Uh, yeah.
This isn't the magic happy Faith & Belief forum, Mike. We need to examine real methodologies for being able to know things. If you keep going around in this big old circle, you'll never make your case. The only reason you have for thinking those Jesus feats are literally true is their appearance in the Bible, which you believe is the inspired word of God, because you believe in the divinity of Jesus, who did all these amazing feats recorded in the Bible, and where do I stop?
The Jesus feats are impossible to accept rationally, and an objective observer would have no problem relegating them (and the rest of the Bible) to the status of historical myth along with the heroics of Mithras and Hercules. However, your "rule of reasonability" concludes that the writer meant the words literally, and you have to believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Therefore, the reality it describes is so above conscious human reason that it appears patently absurd.
Then you top it off by saying that it may not seem rational, but not everything can be understood rationally. Well, I don't see any precedent for thinking that anything that appears unbelievable isn't just plain old unbelievable.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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