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toff
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Message 19 of 53 (3795)
02-08-2002 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by gene90
02-07-2002 11:57 PM


Why should we follow the ten commandments, and not ALSO follow the other instructions given in the OT to the Jews? Both are the same - instructions given by God to the Jews as to how to live. Yet today, most christians would say we should observe the ten commandments; few would say we should also observe the six hundred and something other instructions on how to live. Why?

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toff
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Message 29 of 53 (4084)
02-11-2002 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by gene90
02-08-2002 8:57 AM


quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
[QUOTE][b]Yet today, most christians would say we should observe the ten commandments; few would say we should also observe the six hundred and something other instructions on how to live. Why?[/QUOTE]
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That was explained to me as being because, if the Jews couldn't hold themselves to all their laws, Gentiles shouldn't be asked to either.
Christianity is a more gregarious faith than Judaism and it is open to anyone (or really liberal Judaism for everyone + Messiah). Judaism, traditionally, is one based on family lineages and is not as gregarious. Sadly, this has caused them much hardship over the years.
Why do Orthodox Jews still keep to their strict laws? Well remember, they aren't Christians and so they don't believe in the Christian covenant with God established through the death of Christ.

Which is fair enough, and reasonable - but if that's the case, then why do christians have an obligation to keep the ten commandments? They're in precisely the sameboat.

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toff
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Message 34 of 53 (4115)
02-11-2002 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by redstang281
02-11-2002 9:12 AM


quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
Oh I see what you mean. If they are commandmends then what is the punishment for not obeying them sense you can still go to heaven? I would have to say the punishments for not obeying the commandments would be received in life.

Redstang, it seems you have a fairly creative attitude to your religion. The above is not supported in scripture - and in another post you stated that the bible says it is not possible to stop sinning - conveniently ignoring the fact that Jesus said that with God, ALL things are possible.

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toff
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Message 49 of 53 (4190)
02-12-2002 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by redstang281
02-11-2002 9:56 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
[b] Yes, Jesus is God. With accepting Jesus you can be forgiven. In otherwords man can not stop sinning, that is impossible. But by accepting Jesus you can have your sins cleaned because with God all things are possible.
"For ALL have Sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
Romans 3:23
"The wages of Sin is Death"
Romans 6:23
"For there are none who are righteous.. no, not one"
Romans 3:10
"I will expose your righteousness and your works, and they will not benefit you"
Isaiah 57:12
"For it is by Grace that you have been Saved, through Faith - and Not from yourselves. It is a gift from God - Not earned by works, so that no one can boast"
Ephesians 2:8-9
"When we confess our sins...God is Faithful and Just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness"
1 John 1:9
[/QUOTE]
That's all well and good, Redstang - but Jesus clearly said that with God, ALL things are possible (including, presumably, not sinning. At all. He told the woman caught in adultery to "go, and sin no more." Would he tell her to do something that's impossible?
And regarding your other point - no, i doubt you CAN support it from scripture. If you can, I'd very much like to see it.

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