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Author | Topic: Is Hovind going to hell? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
joz Inactive Member |
quote: I bring your attention to the section which reads... "To bear false witness, against one's neighbor is a vice which includes lying...." Given that Hovind has had the falacy of his arguments demonstrated time and time again, and given that he still uses them surely he is either: a)Lying when he uses the arguments that he knows to be erronous... Or: b)Lying when he calls himself an expert in the field (given that he can`t understand that he is wrong he hardly deserves the accolade "expert").... If so someone tell him to stop, on the off chance that creationists are right I don`t want to spend eternity in hell listening to his drivell......
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Should it read
"Bearing false witness... except when your on medication", in which case he's a free man. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: If you think he's lying about something then call him up and tell him. 850-479-3466 (8-4 Mon-Fri CST) Whether or not you go to hell is based upon whether or not you accept Jesus anyways.
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: 1)If I thought he had the integrity to admit that he was wrong I would. He doesn`t and as such it would be a waste of my time and dollars. 2)How convenient then tell me what if any is the relevance of the ten comandments if everyone can do as they like and play the I believe so i get into heaven card? Why bother with a system of moral standards if you can go to heaven after breaking them providing you believe....
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Oh, but getting on the internet and complaining about it is a good way to spend your time?
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2)How convenient then tell me what if any is the relevance of the ten comandments if everyone can do as they like and play the I believe so i get into heaven card? Why bother with a system of moral standards if you can go to heaven after breaking them providing you believe....[/b][/QUOTE] You don't think God would give us a system of moral standards to help us live a good life while on earth?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: By your own logic God doesn`t give a fig if we follow them provided we believe in him, if he did then regardless of beliefs people who broke the rules would go to hell..... If the only criteria for entry to heaven is belief in God then he obviously doesn`t care if we live a good life or not....
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Oh he defiantly cares if we follow them. Otherwise they would be called "10 recommendations" not "10 commandments" Accepting Jesus determines ultimately whether or not you go to heaven or hell. Once you accept Jesus you become in God's family. Any sin you do after that point is a family issue. The less sins you commit the greater the reward in heaven.
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If the only criteria for entry to heaven is belief in God then he obviously doesn’t care if we live a good life or not....[/b][/QUOTE] Yeah, he cares. He wants us to live a good life.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: You do realise you just contradicted yourself? The 10 commandments may as well be called the 10 recommendations if "Accepting Jesus determines ultimately whether or not you go to heaven or hell." Also, if I accept Jesus, but make a go of commiting sins as much as possible, at what point do I get NO reward in heaven, but still go there. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: No sir, I added the important word "otherwise" in there. Reread my post please.
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Also, if I accept Jesus, but make a go of commiting sins as much as possible, at what point do I get NO reward in heaven, but still go there.[/b][/QUOTE] I'd have to say you didn't really accept Jesus it you are determined to purposely commit every sin.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
we dont stick to topic much around here do we?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: That's not my interpretation, I can sin, & go to heaven.
quote: So are the commandments just that, or recommendations, because they have no relevance as to whether I go to heaven. They're not very "commanding" if I go to heaven anyway. All I have to do is sin as much as I like, & accept Jesus. Whether you think I have accepted Jesus or not is subjective on your part. I may well accept him right at the end in the last breath of life I have. Get out of jail free. ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Mark! I thought you had more class than Pascal!
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: LOL hypothetically speaking.... ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3843 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][b]Also, if I accept Jesus, but make a go of commiting sins as much as possible, at what point do I get NO reward in heaven, but still go there.[/QUOTE]
[/b] Asking repentance, and having faith in that repentance, are necessary but you also have to stop sinning. If Hovind continues his lies until he dies he will probably go to Hell no matter how strongly he believes in God or accepts Jesus. He might get treated better than a constant liar who is an atheist, but I doubt it. [This message has been edited by gene90, 02-07-2002]
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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
The ten commadments were created BEFORE Jesus Christ was sent to the Earth. The REASON Jesus was sent is because man was not responsible enough to even follow the simple commandments.
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